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Mudge 07-30-2022 05:18 AM

Vote No until TA2. It's that easy. We've been waiting for 5 years. What's another 18 months.

Red Swingline 07-30-2022 05:49 AM


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 3469683)
The TA was sent for membership ratification for the following:

1. This TA was Todd Insler's baby. Hamilton simply carried it the last three yards and Spiked the ball.
2. it was convenient because it was expedient.
3. It was deemed that a 2 year or short deal would be "OK" to accept, even if it contained concessions...Again, it was a "short deal in duration."
4. The MEC "agreed" with SK on his United Next agenda and felt like they should "Do their part" to help their buddy.
5. They may (emphasize may) have been offered favorable positions as is past custom within the union ranks. Q: How many former CAL MEC reps/NC reps, etc., are now members of the "New United" Management, or LCA/Evaluator team? Same goes for former Legacy UAL? How many people get cushie FODM jobs at 92 hours a month?
6. Because ALPA National doesn't really make you adhere to minimum standards. The ALPA National lawyers are the same ones who twice approved a Continental MEC Joint Venture Flying LOA that would have "totally gutted scope." Thank God this was defeated by a narrow margin of the MEC at a vote. Imagine our industry if it had passed....
7. The reps feeling arrogant say. "we must protect the pilots from themselves."
8. The reps feel the pre-pandemic and pre pilot shortage polling data in 2017 was what they should use in 2022.
9. The MEC Chairman isn't really a line pilot and therefore can't and doesn't relate to line pilot issues. Likely has never sat reserve since early 1997.
10. The MEC Chairman, a defacto member of the NC by Constitution only has 2500 hours total time since 1997 and doesn't understand quality of life and scheduling/reassignment issues or concerns.

💯 the TA was Insler’s baby and meant to be his springboard to ALPA president.

XHooker 07-30-2022 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3469733)
I don’t like the option, but it’s how I see it being played out.

IMO, you're spot on. The company now gets to throw a little on the pile and say "how 'bout now?" It's a ridiculous way to negotiate... but here we are.

Airhoss 07-30-2022 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by Red Swingline (Post 3469783)
💯 the TA was Insler’s baby and meant to be his springboard to ALPA president.

If that worthless, tyrannical, back stabber Insler gets elected as president of ALPA we are in deep manure! In fact I’d say at that point ALPA is so broken it’s time to start over. For the last three years asking any ALPA rep about the contract was strictly verboten! Insler would tolerate zero questions, input or criticism during his reign of dictatorship. Anybody who was associated with his MEC should be considered tainted and needs to be flushed.

Merle Haggard 07-30-2022 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 3469803)
If that worthless, tyrannical, back stabber Insler gets elected as president of ALPA we are in deep manure! In fact I’d say at that point ALPA is so broken it’s time to start over. For the last three years asking any ALPA rep about the contract was strictly verboten! Insler would tolerate zero questions, input or criticism during his reign of dictatorship. Anybody who was associated with his MEC should be considered tainted and needs to be flushed.

Perfect executive summary.

Red Swingline 07-30-2022 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by Merle Haggard (Post 3469855)
Perfect executive summary.

Agreed (filler)

rightside02 08-02-2022 06:46 AM

Clean house and fill rewrite . It’s as simple as that, why accept a TA that Lowe’s the bar for us all , imagine the giveaways , they won’t come back for years if ever ..

why are we rushing this turd !?!?

the company has wants , good , they need to come to table in order to purchase them.

Mytime2025 08-17-2022 08:38 AM

Phil Otis may be a fine fellow, but.
 
He also has a bunch of ALPA baggage. My preference would have been a scum line pilot with zero ALPA experience leading the NC.

We shall see what Phil is made of soon. I wish him luck.


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