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jdavk 02-22-2023 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3596552)
Delta raised floor, but we’re going to have to fight for anything above that.

Fixed it for you.

Hedley 02-22-2023 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by jdavk (Post 3596566)
Fixed it for you.

This is just a game, and it’s played the same way every time. Both sides are pretty much publicly following a script. The emails we get every contract cycle say the same thing over and over. While this game is being played, both sides are actively reviewing best and worst case scenarios from their perspective. The union knows that we aren’t going to get everything we ask for, and the company knows that this TA is going to have significant cost increases. We’ll know soon enough if Kirby was serious about a quick deal, or only serious if it’s cheap.

qltep 02-22-2023 06:55 PM

To me, todays email seemed pretty good. They moved in our direction. Which is good.

The shareholders would HATE if Kirby just rolled over and didn’t fight. He’s gotta put on a show. At least until Delta votes

FlewNavy 02-22-2023 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by LJ Driver (Post 3596521)
Latest email isn’t exactly great news on the negotiation front.

Scott to Garth (or vice versa)

“Industry leading”….you keep using that word(s)…I don’t think they mean what you think they mean.

Earthboundmsfit 02-22-2023 09:12 PM


Originally Posted by Mitch Rapp (Post 3596547)
I wonder the same thing BUT what is the incentive to the company? When we say they will earn the good will of the pilots does that really translate to anything tangible for them? It’s not like we can strike or have any kind of work action. If we do stop picking up open time then they take us to court. Our hands are tied.

I would like to think our “good will” is worth something but I just don’t see it. What am I missing (I hope I’m missing something)?

No, that is NOT true. As long as its a PERSONAL DECISION to not to pick up OT, it's absolutely legal.

Thats exactly what happened at Frontier in late 2018, and absolutely nothing happened to any individual or their union. Spirit only got in hot water over that because there were guys publicly threatening others in a guised manner to not pick anything up via social media. Big difference.

Mitch Rapp 02-23-2023 04:05 AM


Originally Posted by Earthboundmsfit (Post 3596633)
No, that is NOT true. As long as its a PERSONAL DECISION to not to pick up OT, it's absolutely legal.

Thats exactly what happened at Frontier in late 2018, and absolutely nothing happened to any individual or their union. Spirit only got in hot water over that because there were guys publicly threatening others in a guised manner to not pick anything up via social media. Big difference.

Interesting.

jdavk 02-23-2023 05:01 AM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3596580)
We’ll know soon enough if Kirby was serious about a quick deal, or only serious if it’s cheap.

That's exactly my point; he's only serious if we're willing to roll over and accept current book, with maybe a few limited-cost scraps baked in. Every CEO since the dawn of negotiations has said the exact same thing. For some reason the noobs always fall for it, get impatient, and then give up cash and work rules because they want to hurry up and get a deal done. After all, they need that signing bonus!

Next, the CEO runs to the board and tells them how awesome he/she is because, "even though our costs have increased somewhat with the new contract(s), the <insert labor group here> realized that our plan ensures that we'll be better positioned to compete and expand our market share moving forward, thereby ensuring our continued profitability while providing sustainable* futures for our co-workers." (Translation: "we're paying less than Delta for more productivity.")

Honestly, I forget how many contracts we've had since I've been here, but they all track the same as I've outlined above. This will be my last one and I would seriously love it if, just this one time, I would be proved wrong.

*This word must be included in all press releases and public remarks.

Otterbox 02-23-2023 06:00 AM


Originally Posted by Mitch Rapp (Post 3596547)
I would like to think our “good will” is worth something but I just don’t see it. What am I missing (I hope I’m missing something)?

Every NPS point is worth about $30million in revenue in the company’s eyes.

UALFlyer 02-23-2023 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by flewnavy (Post 3596610)
scott to garth (or vice versa)

“industry leading”….you keep using that word(s)…i don’t think they mean what you think they mean.

inconceivable!

Gooselives 02-23-2023 08:02 AM

March 1st …………..


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