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guppie 11-29-2023 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by rvfanatic (Post 3548890)
With all the Delta comparisons we are making this week, one seems absent. Seniority will get you one premium pay trip (green slip) at Delta, then you go to the bottom of the list so everyone can have a shot.

Unfortunately we eat our own here and this will probably never change. But the fact that the top 5% got to take advantage of the 300% pay in January while the rest didn’t see a single PP trip underscores the brokenness in our system.

Are there other companies that manage premium pay like we do?


They say location, location, location is the most important thing in real estate. It's the same at United Airlines, only it's senioriy, seniority, seniority. Whether it's a premium trip or a last minute jumpseat (no listing required), SENIORITY baby, it's what's for dinner!!! But hey, Delta is still hiring.

Maybe on the next contract....

RaginCajun 11-29-2023 10:28 AM

I think the 50% and 75% is the thought process here where junior guys can pick up for lower %...when the senior folks wait for the 100%.

Boeing Aviator 11-30-2023 02:04 AM


Originally Posted by guppie (Post 3729161)
They say location, location, location is the most important thing in real estate. It's the same at United Airlines, only it's senioriy, seniority, seniority. Whether it's a premium trip or a last minute jumpseat (no listing required), SENIORITY baby, it's what's for dinner!!! But hey, Delta is still hiring.

Maybe on the next contract....

The vast majority of premium pay as a WB CA in my category comes on fairly short notice. Most under 8 hours prior to show. Per CBA that’s in the real time window - fastest fingers (first come) not seniority based. Don’t think there will be any changes as the union has access all that data. It’s more of a bias to those that live in base vs a commuter.

Shrek 11-30-2023 02:43 AM

Super junior and some have the attitude "ITS BROKEN let's change the premium pay trip methodology!" ...... "It's not fair !" might even hear sprinkling of EQUITABLE thrown around as well.

When these pilots actually get enough seniority to hold Premium pay trips ? ........... crickets 🦗

guppie 11-30-2023 04:07 AM


Originally Posted by Boeing Aviator (Post 3729412)
The vast majority of premium pay as a WB CA in my category comes on fairly short notice. Most under 8 hours prior to show. Per CBA that’s in the real time window - fastest fingers (first come) not seniority based. Don’t think there will be any changes as the union has access all that data. It’s more of a bias to those that live in base vs a commuter.

That's not entirely true. If pilots have a criteria bid in, the system STILL awards trips in the real time trade window by seniority, seniority, seniority...before the fast fingers even get a wiff at it.

First Look Run An assignment (trip, short call, or field standby) that becomes unassigned during the Real Time window (after the 1045 run LBT), will trigger a First Look Run. As the assignment becomes available after 1045 LBT, the Real Time Trip Trade System searches for matching requests and awards each trade in seniority order. Addition of Premium Pay to a trip (50%, 75%, or 100%) will also trigger a First Look Run. Note: An assignment that becomes unassigned in the Real Time window and triggers a First Look Run may not generate an Open Pairing Alert, if the Real Time System immediately awards the assignment to a matching request.

JTwift 11-30-2023 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by Shrek (Post 3729414)
Super junior and some have the attitude "ITS BROKEN let's change the premium pay trip methodology!" ...... "It's not fair !" might even hear sprinkling of EQUITABLE thrown around as well.

When these pilots actually get enough seniority to hold Premium pay trips ? ........... crickets 🦗

im of the opinion that premium should be more equitable and new hires should get pro rated profit sharing. But…shrug. I’m just one vote.

guppie 12-10-2023 04:01 PM


Originally Posted by JTwift (Post 3729493)
im of the opinion that premium should be more equitable and new hires should get pro rated profit sharing. But…shrug. I’m just one vote.

Oh Hail Nah. Don't need no new hires diluting our profit sharing. Especially next year.... with the signing bonus checks included in the profit sharing mix..... With ~6-8% of earnings on profit sharing, might see $40K!!! .... cha f/n CHING baby $$$$$$$. I'll tell all the FA's and van drivers!!! It's gonna be SWEET.

jetchild 12-17-2023 01:07 PM

Delta Premium Pay comparison
 
We should've gotten rid of the AV ( available) days in the new contract for line holders. I think that's one of the main reasons there's not as much premium at UA vs DL 🤷‍♂️

guppie 12-18-2023 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by jetchild (Post 3738139)
We should've gotten rid of the AV ( available) days in the new contract for line holders. I think that's one of the main reasons there's not as much premium at UA vs DL 🤷‍♂️

Before there were AV days, there was lose the pay for trips cancelled down to MPG (exception for the last trip of the month). I'll take the AV days ;)

Otters 12-18-2023 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by rvfanatic (Post 3548890)
With all the Delta comparisons we are making this week, one seems absent. Seniority will get you one premium pay trip (green slip) at Delta, then you go to the bottom of the list so everyone can have a shot.

Unfortunately we eat our own here and this will probably never change. But the fact that the top 5% got to take advantage of the 300% pay in January while the rest didn’t see a single PP trip underscores the brokenness in our system.

Are there other companies that manage premium pay like we do?

I am shocked this wasn't in any of the surveys. Ask your reps why? I asked mine and he said a political football and those at MEC did not want this put out. Why? Because I'm convinced the majority would've said change this. Delta's system of green slips is done here. At the FTC. This was politically avoided in any polls. I have put this in any contract survey. And yet never see it. Super seniority was never envisioned for all.


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