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jdavk 12-18-2022 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by RaginCajun (Post 3554581)
are we really paying some of these Union guys to work 90+ hours a month and never fly?

Have you ever held a full-time Union position?


Originally Posted by RaginCajun (Post 3554581)
I don’t see how Union business can be conducted on Christmas Day/New Years day/even most weekends/etc.

Believe me, it can and often is. That said, would you be willing to work 24/7/365 and then go fly trips on your (non-existent) days off from Union work just to appease some keyboard commando who has too much time on his/her hands? (I didn't think so.)

It's odd how the people who ***** the loudest about full-time Union gigs are the ones who've never been stuck with one.

jerryleber 12-18-2022 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by jdavk (Post 3554693)
Have you ever held a full-time Union position?

I've had multiple ones at the same time while flying a full schedule with minimal trip drops. Not all, but a number of Toddlers abused the FTFPL deal in a big way, period.

jdavk 12-18-2022 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by jerryleber (Post 3554723)
I've had multiple ones at the same time while flying a full schedule with minimal trip drops.

By definition, those aren't full-time Union positions.

jerryleber 12-18-2022 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by jdavk (Post 3554831)
By definition, those aren't full-time Union positions.

You're right when I was a spokesperson for the UAL MEC it wasn't, but it has been for the last seven years. When I was a MEC Comm Committee member it wasn't, but for the last seven years it was. I was also the MEC Picketing Coordinator and C12 Strike Chairman concurrently with those other jobs and I flew a full schedule.

The definition of what full-time and what warranted an ALPA vacation day changed dramatically seven years ago.

ReadOnly7 12-18-2022 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by jdavk (Post 3554693)
Have you ever held a full-time Union position?



Believe me, it can and often is. That said, would you be willing to work 24/7/365 and then go fly trips on your (non-existent) days off from Union work just to appease some keyboard commando who has too much time on his/her hands? (I didn't think so.)

It's odd how the people who ***** the loudest about full-time Union gigs are the ones who've never been stuck with one.

Maybe Union jobs shouldn’t pay based log of flight pay….since there IS no flying. Maybe it should just be a flat salary.

jdavk 12-18-2022 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 3554933)
Maybe it should just be a flat salary.

That's what it is now; XX number of hours* times your current (not best held, as many seem to believe) flight pay rate.

*The pitchfork crowd says it's 94.5 but I've never bothered to look it up.

PilotsAreDumb 12-18-2022 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by jdavk (Post 3554693)
Have you ever held a full-time Union position?



Believe me, it can and often is. That said, would you be willing to work 24/7/365 and then go fly trips on your (non-existent) days off from Union work just to appease some keyboard commando who has too much time on his/her hands? (I didn't think so.)

It's odd how the people who ***** the loudest about full-time Union gigs are the ones who've never been stuck with one.

Nobody is “stuck” with any union job. It’s all volunteer. And if you’re not going to do the job right then don’t volunteer for it.

Many guys and gals volunteer and bust their asses and make magic happen. Then there are those that volunteer and protect the company and bring us concessions. Those are the ones people are complaining about. And rightfully so.

RaginCajun 12-18-2022 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by PilotsAreDumb (Post 3555036)
Nobody is “stuck” with any union job. It’s all volunteer. And if you’re not going to do the job right then don’t volunteer for it.

Many guys and gals volunteer and bust their asses and make magic happen. Then there are those that volunteer and protect the company and bring us concessions. Those are the ones people are complaining about. And rightfully so.

Couldn’t have said it better.


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