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1215 01-21-2023 05:51 PM

Sounds like the consensus would be to take a DL offer if available… even if it comes with a later class date and worse/slower initial seniority progression?

Brickfire 01-21-2023 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by 1215 (Post 3576595)
Sounds like the consensus would be to take a DL offer if available… even if it comes with a later class date and worse/slower initial seniority progression?

1) no. You take the first major class date offered and if you leave in X weeks, so be it
2) you said wife’s career “currently” doesn’t allow move. This needs more detail. Can move in 2 years? 10 years? 30 years?

GPullR 01-21-2023 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by webecheck (Post 3576350)
Spouses are like pancakes, first one is a throw away. Be wary of a spouse career backing you into a corner because let’s face it, half of marriages end in divorce. 85% of airline pilot first marriages end in divorce. Civilians typically can move and change jobs with same or higher pay, we are married to our airlines forever. And if you’re the one that makes more money, drive the ship pal.

And I'm guessing you are very single with this response.

webecheck 01-21-2023 08:21 PM


Originally Posted by CALPilotToo (Post 3576494)
I loved the comment. "And if you're the one that makes more money, drive the ship pal." And she said, "And since you're the one that made the most money cough it up in alimony cause you about to join the 85% ers" ;).

exactly my point! if it ends, do you think the opposing lawyer is giving you a discount because you elected to commute for x number of years. 🤣 in either scenario you’re paying, might as well not commute for her and then still pay. OP could always postnup the situation for contingencies.

webecheck 01-21-2023 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by GPullR (Post 3576650)
And I'm guessing you are very single with this response.

Negative. Just a realist. If you’ve been around long, then you know the odds.

ThumbsUp 01-21-2023 09:54 PM


Originally Posted by 1215 (Post 3576595)
Sounds like the consensus would be to take a DL offer if available… even if it comes with a later class date and worse/slower initial seniority progression?

What makes you think it’s worse? The seniority progression over there for new hires seems pretty much the same as it is here in the domiciles that you’d be commuting to. But take whatever comes first and make a decision from there. Whether you’d want to stay or go probably depends on your age. If you are not in the forced to a WB age range, the time on reserve wouldn’t be that long and you’d probably just take the seniority and stay.

St Exupery 01-21-2023 10:13 PM


Originally Posted by Brickfire (Post 3576649)
1) no. You take the first major class date offered and if you leave in X weeks, so be it
2) you said wife’s career “currently” doesn’t allow move. This needs more detail. Can move in 2 years? 10 years? 30 years?

This is correct. Take first class available. Get a seniority number. You never know when the music will stop. You won’t have a decision to make unless you get a CJO from another company. That’s when you can consider whether to stay or go.

PipeMan 01-22-2023 02:43 AM


Originally Posted by webecheck (Post 3576350)
Spouses are like pancakes, first one is a throw away. Be wary of a spouse career backing you into a corner because let’s face it, half of marriages end in divorce. 85% of airline pilot first marriages end in divorce. Civilians typically can move and change jobs with same or higher pay, we are married to our airlines forever. And if you’re the one that makes more money, drive the ship pal.

For all you know, his wife could work in the area and earn double what he would make at UAL. Maybe think before you you go on a tangent that doesn’t help anyone.

1215 01-22-2023 05:00 AM

Guess I should’ve clarified:

1) Sitting on CJOs from both with a UAL class date approximately 30-90 days sooner than when DL would have a class available.

2) My wife will make more than I will till I’m 8-10 years up the pay scales. Can’t move or don’t want to move is an irrelevant semantic. We’ll be in Charleston for the next decade at least.

3) I like the first pancake so I guess that makes me part of the 15%. Or you need to be better at making pancakes.

The conventional wisdom is take the first class date available. Since I’m sitting on two offers within a short span of time, it makes the decision a little more difficult, since both offer many unique positives.

JTwift 01-22-2023 05:10 AM


Originally Posted by 1215 (Post 3576750)
Guess I should’ve clarified:

1) Sitting on CJOs from both with a UAL class date approximately 30-90 days sooner than when DL would have a class available.

2) My wife will make more than I will till I’m 8-10 years up the pay scales. Can’t move or don’t want to move is an irrelevant semantic. We’ll be in Charleston for the next decade at least.

3) I like the first pancake so I guess that makes me part of the 15%. Or you need to be better at making pancakes.

The conventional wisdom is take the first class date available. Since I’m sitting on two offers within a short span of time, it makes the decision a little more difficult, since both offer many unique positives.

You could be done with initial training at UAL before your DL class date even arrives. I did have a few people either in my class or classes around me (that I knew personally) who left UAL for DL, but solely because they lived in ATL. It was 100% domicile related.

May as well start at UAL and then move to DL if you want to. You never know if something causes a slow/stoppage in hiring during those 90 potential days (unlikely, but stranger things have happened).

It sounds to me like you kind of want to end up at Delta, but there’s no harm starting at United and going from there.

Just looking at the ALPA Jumpseat finder, CHS to Newark has about 4 flights a day (Airbus during the week, mostly, mix on Weekends). Dulles is bad. ORD is pretty meh. Atlanta has like 6-7 flights, though, and I guess you could drive it in a pinch?

So…..


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