POLL: AIP Timeline
 

Yes, I know this is all meaningless speculation. So, if you’re triggered, hit the “back button”.

The MC has been making the rounds lately with updates on the UPA. It sounds like even though the company has moved on Sections 5 and 20, that we are still very far apart. I did speak to a rep in IAD recently and he said the same thing. However, he also said he’d be shocked if we don’t have something by the summer. I’m not holding that over his head - he was just trying to give his best guess based on the limited information he had.

Based on what everyone is hearing - what say you? When do you all think we will have an AIP? I say sometime before June.

This is not going to help your negotiations. If the company gets the sense that you're in a rush, they will dig in their feet knowing time is more important than content to the pilots.
The time pressure should be on their side.

Respectfully, do you actually think the company doesn’t believe the pilots are eager to get a new contract “yesterday”? Your comments are similar to those that preach “no negotiating in public”. Everyone’s cards are on the table. It’s a waiting game now. They KNOW we want a contract yesterday. It’s up to ALPA (leadership AND line pilots) to communicate that we’re NOT going to settle no matter how long it takes.

the pressure is on their side
this BS no public Neg etc it’s just BS
What did been quiet got us last time
TUMI TA with 15 sell offs of reps and traitors to say the least
we lost time by been silent for sure

speak up and say how unhappy you are is a must now

This is the most important thing...DO. NOT. SETTLE.

Whether the timeline is 2 weeks, 2 months or 2 years we owe it to ourselves and future UAL pilots to ensure we actually do receive an industry-leading contract...and compensation isn't the sticking point.

94% NO says a LOT about where we are when it comes to quality of work life, so let's hold the bar high and let the chips fall where they may.

You think you boys can last 2 years before one of your low time, zero to hero “diversity” new hire flies a bird into the ground? The FAA is projecting 18 months for United, I’ll give it 6.

To any management stooges monitoring APC for negotiations gossip - my strike fund is fully funded and I’m not going to settle for anything less than Industry LEADING…no matter how long it takes. I’ve always flown the contract, called in sick when sick, fatigued when fatigue and will NOT change my behavior.

PS Tell Kirby he is quickly losing any good will he’s built up with us. He’s proving to be just like all the other two faced, greedy, one trick pony CEOs.

You mean any sooner than the same ones at Delta do? C’mon man, everyone is hiring the same people. Just look at your own boards.

The zero to hero Aviate Academy people that you may be referring to in your constant ranting are a long ways off from seeing the cockpit of a UAL aircraft and by that point, they will be the same as everyone else.

If you’re not cheap and have some time go buy a one month subscription on “Aviation Interviews”. It’s a gouge to the current interviews at every airline. Compare the stats to the recent United interview candidate’s who post their experience and their stats.

You will be in shock. It’s not even close compared to other airlines. At least half the ride reports are pilots in the low 2,000 total time with zero credentials, 25ish age range. The trend I notice is they just hit 1,000 multi. It’s fairly apparent United is attempting a different approach to hiring pilots. Maybe SK is trying to prove something, but it shouldn’t just be concerning for safety, but your negotiations as well.

As devil's advocate: Plenty of white dudes getting hired at historically low total time, because plenty of people are getting hired at low time period. Less white dudes than 1993 because there's less white dudes in the population pool as a percentage. I was a "diversity" hire with less than 2500TT at my current airline in 2020 and my feet, knees, and back remind me about it every chance they get (full disclosure, also a white dude that's been in and out of the industry over the last 15 years). I've passed two type rating courses there since being picked up from that regional. Do I deserve to be there? I think so. To quote a cheesy aviation movie: "If the government trusts me, maybe you can too?" And no, not a pick-up line in this context...get your minds outta the gutter!

Speaking of those regionals (which may or may not exist at the end of the decade): they have been putting these guys in ERJs and CRJs for a couple decades now. And 737s and 320s aren't that different from 145s and 200s. Yeah, VNAV is fancy (and confusing as f#ck when it's poorly/not taught) or whatever, but it's not like the 3-1 rule and V/S doesn't work in a Boeing if you totally goof VNAV up. If CFI's can learn RJs, they can learn NB jets. I saw a lot of training department change and adaptation between the mid 2000s and late 2010s at the regional level. It's anecdotal, of course, but those training departments came to meet their new hires where they were, which was not showing up to indoc with 12 months in a fly-by-night check running 135 outfit (a la mid-2000s regionals), much less having a decade in the Air Force, 6-7 years at a regional, or 5-10 years hauling freight in Barons and 1900s under their belt (a la the legacies at one point or another in the last 20-30 years).

At any rate, it's not a hiring department's labor market anymore. The largest (to date) generation in US history is exiting the labor market en masse and will be gone by the end of the decade, regardless of our feelings and concerns. Mil is pumping out what - maybe 3000 pilots a year now? There's a pool of 15-20k at the regionals, getting very FO heavy? All airlines will adapt to the current labor market or shrink/die. At some point we're just yelling at clouds unless we plan to be a constructive part of the solution.