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V2cut 04-05-2023 11:58 AM

LAS trips
 
Is it true that LAS has ~ 60% redeyes? Is this something consistent month to month and can this be expected going forward? - outsider looking in

JTwift 04-05-2023 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by V2cut (Post 3619403)
Is it true that LAS has ~ 60% redeyes? Is this something consistent month to month and can this be expected going forward? - outsider looking in

61%, actually.

and….probably? Maybe? Nobody but the company knows the future of scheduling. May is the first month the base will be open (same with MCO).

BobbyLeeSwagger 04-05-2023 12:11 PM

Garbage trips! What a flop of a new base. Already massively unfilled lol

Brickfire 04-05-2023 12:21 PM

Company said from the start that LAS would be redeye heavy

UALinIAH 04-05-2023 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by V2cut (Post 3619403)
Is it true that LAS has ~ 60% redeyes? Is this something consistent month to month and can this be expected going forward? - outsider looking in

Yes and it shows in the first 3 vacancy snapshots. Look how many are transferring out now that they’ve seen the trips. 17 unfilled in LAS I think on today’s snapshot.

PipeMan 04-05-2023 02:17 PM

I avoid staying overnight in this terrible place. It is full of SIN and EVIL. Anyone residing there or being based there should think about that. I will begrudgingly do a turn out of LAS if I have to, but avoid it during bidding.

Swakid8 04-05-2023 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by PipeMan (Post 3619467)
I avoid staying overnight in this terrible place. It is full of SIN and EVIL. Anyone residing there or being based there should think about that. I will begrudgingly do a turn out of LAS if I have to, but avoid it during bidding.

Is SLC one of your favorite overnights?

LJ Driver 04-05-2023 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 3619473)
Is SLC one of your favorite overnights?

Awesome! 😃

AirportJunkie 04-05-2023 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by UALinIAH (Post 3619426)
Yes and it shows in the first 3 vacancy snapshots. Look how many are transferring out now that they’ve seen the trips. 17 unfilled in LAS I think on today’s snapshot.

Base is shrinking already and it hasn’t even opened yet LOL!

WXS15 04-05-2023 04:07 PM

I expect the exodus to continue as pilots who only bid it to break seat lock move to where they actually want to go.

JackReacher 04-05-2023 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by PipeMan (Post 3619467)
I avoid staying overnight in this terrible place. It is full of SIN and EVIL. Anyone residing there or being based there should think about that. I will begrudgingly do a turn out of LAS if I have to, but avoid it during bidding.

SIN and EVIL is not limited to Vegas, as it can be found everywhere. There are plenty of things to do in Las Vegas that don’t involve debauchery………..so I hear!! 😜

cfouriv 04-05-2023 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 3619473)
Is SLC one of your favorite overnights?

This is my favorite post of all time... thank you! Lol!!!

tengssuuciurta 04-05-2023 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 3619411)
Garbage trips! What a flop of a new base. Already massively unfilled lol

I’m hoping they can’t fill it and keep opening more small bases. 🤞🏻 for SEA

GHawk 04-05-2023 08:22 PM


Originally Posted by WXS15 (Post 3619511)
I expect the exodus to continue as pilots who only bid it to break seat lock move to where they actually want to go.

I think this is what’s happening. Would have to look back at the previous awards to find out for sure.

dingdong 04-06-2023 02:38 AM

Anybody who has spent time at the regionals in the past 10 years would have seen this a mile away. Outstation bases always have first out/last in trips, or the garbage in between. Nothing good comes from a base that’s not a hub, you’re getting all the scraps.

Nucflash 04-06-2023 02:44 AM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 3619473)
Is SLC one of your favorite overnights?

SLC is also full of sin and evil, it’s just they are more concerned with covering it up to keep up appearances…..:D

sailingfun 04-06-2023 03:46 AM


Originally Posted by Nucflash (Post 3619674)
SLC is also full of sin and evil, it’s just they are more concerned with covering it up to keep up appearances…..:D

I don’t know about today but 20 years ago when I lived in SLC it had the highest rate of prostitution in the entire country. It seems some of those repressed Mormons needed an outlet out of sight of the church.

JTwift 04-06-2023 03:52 AM


Originally Posted by GHawk (Post 3619633)
I think this is what’s happening. Would have to look back at the previous awards to find out for sure.

yes, it’s exactly what’s happening. Loads of those SFO 777s the new hires were getting.

Buck Rogers 04-06-2023 04:44 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3619683)
I don’t know about today but 20 years ago when I lived in SLC it had the highest rate of prostitution in the entire country. It seems some of those repressed Mormons needed an outlet out of sight of the church.

That probably had more to do with in SLC they arrested an prosecuted whereas, in other large metro areas it was just accepted practice, and basically just overlooked.

One thing is probably irrefutable, most "boys" have a tool they want to use, and most "girls ' have something that they can monetize. Doesn't matter what your religion, what state you live in nor what country.

JurgenKlopp 04-06-2023 05:14 AM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 3619473)
Is SLC one of your favorite overnights?

You mean the place where a ton of equity and funding for all that sin came from?

nene 04-06-2023 05:49 AM


Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 3619693)
That probably had more to do with in SLC they arrested an prosecuted whereas, in other large metro areas it was just accepted practice, and basically just overlooked.

One thing is probably irrefutable, most "boys" have a tool they want to use, and most "girls ' have something that they can monetize. Doesn't matter what your religion, what state you live in nor what country.

"The world's oldest profession"

RippinClapBombs 04-06-2023 06:04 AM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 3619473)
Is SLC one of your favorite overnights?

The irony in this post is SLC apparently has some of the best strip clubs in the country. I was listening to a podcast where a few professional athletes confirmed this.

https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2019/11/7/20953739/james-harden-has-bad-games-in-utah-because-exceptional-slc-strip-clubs-utah-jazz-nba-salt-lake-city

All In 04-06-2023 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by UALinIAH (Post 3619426)
Yes and it shows in the first 3 vacancy snapshots. Look how many are transferring out now that they’ve seen the trips. 17 unfilled in LAS I think on today’s snapshot.

How many of those pilots were initially given a widebody as a new hire and bid into LAS as a way to break their seat lock with the intention to lateral ASAP to their desired base?

sofarup 04-06-2023 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 3619693)
One thing is probably irrefutable, most "boys" have a tool they want to use, and most "girls ' have something that they can monetize. Doesn't matter what your religion, what state you live in nor what country.

Probably why OnlyFans is a thing. lol

JTwift 04-06-2023 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by All In (Post 3619773)
How many of those pilots were initially given a widebody as a new hire and bid into LAS as a way to break their seat lock with the intention to lateral ASAP to their desired base?

let’s be clear here.

there are currently 17 unfilled CAPTAIN positions in LAS. New hires aren’t bidding for those.

what’s happening is that all the new hires (lots) who were put on the 777 in SFO are bidding over to LAS to break their seat lock. Then once it’s awarded, they’re bidding out of LAS on the next vacancy into [whatever]. (I know you know this…I’m just reiterating for anyone who doesn’t).

I think the Captain vacancies in Vegas might get worse once the trips really start flowing. I know some people like red eyes, but…every trip?

UALinIAH 04-06-2023 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by All In (Post 3619773)
How many of those pilots were initially given a widebody as a new hire and bid into LAS as a way to break their seat lock with the intention to lateral ASAP to their desired base?

I was referring to the large number of CAs bidding back to LAX/SFO. 10 advertised vacancies and there were 17 unfilled on yesterday’s snapshot. 9 bid out of with only 1 FO taking the position as the other incoming is already a 320 CA.

BlueScholar 04-06-2023 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by tengssuuciurta (Post 3619607)
I’m hoping they can’t fill it and keep opening more small bases. 🤞🏻 for SEA

If MCO and LAS also have staffing problems, does it make additional pilot bases more likely or less likely? I really hope that once we get an ILC and when we start adding flying out of those bases, that the trips will get better and they will fill up and we keep opening up more locations. I'd love a SEA base too!!!

JTwift 04-06-2023 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by BlueScholar (Post 3619798)
If MCO and LAS also have staffing problems, does it make additional pilot bases more likely or less likely? I really hope that once we get an ILC and when we start adding flying out of those bases, that the trips will get better and they will fill up and we keep opening up more locations. I'd love a SEA base too!!!

MCO is like 10+ years (right now) to hold Captain. There’s no staffing issue for Orlando. The biggest FO issue, in my opinion, is figuring out where the G line will sit on any given month, and if/when Tampa opens, how does that change the dynamics of Captain vacancies and trip quality.

Vegas, though…everyone I talk to comments on how bizarre of a choice that is for a new base.

madmax757 04-06-2023 08:47 AM

Not a UAL guy. Well I was 20 years ago but. I would have thought LAS would go somewhat senior as there are a lot of pilots that live there and commute to SFO or DEN for the lower cost of living. Or are these pilots on the wide body and wouldn’t downgrade to a 737 ?

FAAFlyer 04-06-2023 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by BlueScholar (Post 3619798)
If MCO and LAS also have staffing problems, does it make additional pilot bases more likely or less likely? I really hope that once we get an ILC and when we start adding flying out of those bases, that the trips will get better and they will fill up and we keep opening up more locations. I'd love a SEA base too!!!

I would think that as we get more airframes additional bases will become necessary. I was really surprised at LAS as opposed to PHX given how many pilots live in the PHX area. I think it would have been as senior as MCO.

Swakid8 04-06-2023 09:21 AM

Saw LAS and MCO has a bone being tossed to folks who live there while also providing a cost saving with decreasing the number hotel nights required.

All In 04-06-2023 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by UALinIAH (Post 3619795)
I was referring to the large number of CAs bidding back to LAX/SFO. 10 advertised vacancies and there were 17 unfilled on yesterday’s snapshot. 9 bid out of with only 1 FO taking the position as the other incoming is already a 320 CA.

Good point. I agree.

Nucflash 04-06-2023 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 3619839)
Saw LAS and MCO has a bone being tossed to folks who live there while also providing a cost saving with decreasing the number hotel nights required.

And maybe pull a few people from SWA, Spirit, JB in the process. It was a “cost neutral” decision, that is for sure….

Nucflash 04-06-2023 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by FAAFlyer (Post 3619836)
I would think that as we get more airframes additional bases will become necessary. I was really surprised at LAS as opposed to PHX given how many pilots live in the PHX area. I think it would have been as senior as MCO.

Undoubtedly it came down to the number of redeye departures.


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