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Why do you keep deleting threads where the bigots, racists, xenophobes, and other small minded jagoffs out themselves?

The last one was at the request of the OP, who apparently had a change of heart.

Probably not a change of heart...more like a flicker of survival instinct 😄

Always with the name calling.

He's just outing himself

By all means, please share your feelings.

$20 and a cold one says you routinely inhale your own farts to save the environment. Scotty boy would be almost as proud as when you’re licking his boots. We got ourselves a real company man right here folks.

That's about what I expected. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

The delta boards are stale. Let’s check out the United boards. Glad I did. I too enjoy smelling my own farts. Everyone loves their own brand!

I wonder what effect identity politics has on collective bargaining and the ability of the group to use leverage?

In my opinion we struggle using leverage. We can blame Kirby all we want, but we are the ones with our lips still firmly attached to Kirby's keister.

There is a reason identity politics are encouraged by our management, and it isn't to liberate the employee group.

ALPA should concentrate on collective bargaining and strengthening the interests of it's membership, which are the same regardless of which toxic identities we individually choose.

does anyone know what AxlF16 is complaining about?

Another DEI thread got deleted (this time ostensibly at the request of the OP) fueling speculation that the mods are part of the “woke army” trying to prevent us from saying the horrible things that compel our families to apologize for us after we get up from the Thanksgiving dinner table.

There is a sale on white new balances! Get off the Dell desktop running Windows 95 and go stock up!

So you're not boycotting Budweiser?

If you boycott Budweiser because their beer sucks, does that make you woke, maga, or does it just mean that you’re old enough to have tried good beer and now know better?

I don't drink beer, it's too "working class" for me.

Thanks for continuing to prove the theory that pilots are the dumbest professionals.

Sorry. I didn't realize that you'd take it so personally.

The union should not be engaged in political topics that divide the pilot group. We need solidarity now. DEI is anti-labor. It is a hindrance to our collective objectives which if eventually obtained will benefit all of us, regardless of identity.

The reason the company embraces DEI as it's fundamentalist religion is not to benefit the employees.

If you’re a member in good standing, go to a meeting & propose a vote of non-diversity outlining the circumstances under which you feel discrimination is appropriate & the groups that should be favored above others. Let me know how it turns out.

You are incorrect.

DEI began as protecting corporations from costly discrimination lawsuits. It is woefully inadequate for addressing with nuance challenges of discrimination. Discrimination issues are complex, but as you have shown DEI reduces these real and complex issues to manageable problems with ready-made responses.

Rather than improving overall QOL and workplace climate, DEI cultivates fragility, as you have also displayed. The more easily we are fragile and offended, the more we need DEI to manage our problems. This is a vicious cycle that does not benefit us, especially as organized labor. Fragile and disorganized pilots can not achieve a good contract.

Ultimately DEI is a management strategy, illustrated by the way the policy pits us against each other...as has been displayed here by reactions to the policy. ALPA is doing us a disservice by supporting DEI policies. It is a distraction from our legitimate grievances with the company. DEI undermines ALPAs already fragile and latent leverage.

DEI has nothing to do with freedom, acceptance and tolerance. It's a ideology corporations use to protect their interests, at the expense of their employees, customers and especially organized labor. It has nothing to do with equality or assisting historically marginalized peoples.

Am I concerned our pilot group and union continue to behave in ways that prohibit a new and adequate CBA? Yep, I sure am.

Follow through on that. How is it anti-labor?

There’s a difference in diversity and discrimination. Diversity is a good thing, and how a person looks or how they entertain their junk has no affect on their ability to do this job. Discrimination is always wrong regardless of the form. Deliberately seeking out a demographic for any reason is just as wrong as deliberately excluding them. When it comes to gaining employment, admittance to schools, promotions, etc……. those decisions should be made on merit and ability, not something as insignificant as appearance, identity, or sexual orientation.

Let’s unpack this DEI stuff. I don’t believe he is implying organic diversity is a bad thing. On the contrary, I think we can all agree that it’s the right thing. But forced diversity is controversial for many and definitely creates division. Equity is a farce and we all know it. Equality is what we should be striving for. And if you don’t know the difference between equity and equality, it comes down to one thing:Outcome. Finally, Inclusion is a moving target. Where does someone draw the line in the workplace?? (And I’m talking on a professional level, not on a personal level). Do we include everybody in the workforce?? Even those who can’t do the job?? So I agree with the previous poster in that this DEI stuff should be kept out of ALPA. The fact that they created a DEI committee is disturbing to me.

Very well said. Oh wait, im supposed to be a woke mod oops!

as long as it’s a group that’s “marginalized”….they will receive a standing ovation, be recommended for promotion….and possibly even placed on a billboard for “leading the way”.

Always remember….”good leads the way”….as long as that person isn’t a cys/heterosexual/male. Those people are ALWAYS bad. Never forget that.

I’m SHOCKED, SHOCKED I say to find out a labor union and Chicago based company are pushing the liberal ideology of DEI!…or is it DEIB….or DEBI? I’m reminded of the prisoners in the Hanoi Hilton communicating with tap code during indoctrination. Every job sooner or later becomes not worth it.

Part of the miscommunication that’s happening here is that we’re talking about two different things.

First was the MEC statement on non-discrimination, which was the subject of the original post. This was extremely benign & generic and- as discrimination is against the law, anyway- tantamount to me making a commitment to not cooking meth in my basement. Exactly no one should care about this; but I do love the irony that I’m a fragile snowflake for not being offended by it.

The second topic seems to be the existence of a DEBI committee at ALPA. Again, not the topic originally in question, but fine. Now, we could attempt to have the nuanced adult conversation about the social theories upon which DEI is based, gaps in representation, concerns of overreach, etc., that has as yet eluded these forums; but in the meantime, the pragmatic reality is that a large part of this is just litigation insurance. Everyone here should be wise enough to understand that relying solely on “organic diversity”- an interesting term used to describe an industry that’s historically drawn over 90% of its labor from a single demographic, but I digress- opens any group up to potentially damaging & costly accusations. Some of you guys are so fired up on principle that you’d spend your entire war chest in court rather than having the dreaded DEI label attached to anything you’re associated with. Please grow up, take your own advice, & focus on the actual battle at hand- our contract.

😂 Yes! Clearly cis-hetero-males can’t catch a break & are underrepresented in our labor force as well as union & corporate leadership.

I don’t really GAF. I have my job, and you can hire EXCLUSIVELY minorities, trans, whatever. I just get a yucky taste form blatant intellectual dishonesty. You don’t fight discrimination with DIFFERENT discrimination. I have kids. I try to treat them equally. If one of them gets a bigger lunch….I can’t fix that by only feeding the others at dinner. I’m all for diversity. If I had to fly with ONLY “guns & God” MAGA dudes (which I am NOT)….I would hate this job. Not all of us who call BS on this stuff are racists, homophobes, or xenophobes. Some of us just don’t like BS.

For example……..there’s a poster at one of our domiciles…of a certain individual….”good leading the way”. He’s a disgusting human being with a COMPANY-wide reputation. But….he fits the profile for what the casting department wanted. Tell me how that’s ANY better than casting the beautiful, blond, blue-eyed FA for all the magazine ads in the ‘70s. It’s not BETTER, it’s the SAME. But….discrimination should fix the problem of discrimination….right?

For someone who “just doesn’t like BS”, you have an interesting way of overstating what is actually happening to a ridiculous extreme.

I would happily wear a pin that says, “I’m pretty sure I disagree with every opinion you have that doesn’t involve flying. Can I please just read?”

Diversity and inclusion are fine. I don’t think a single person here would argue that. Equity is the very definition of systemic racism and while that’s a factual statement, one can decide for themselves, debate, if equity belongs in a community of aviators.

Also, since the union is already formed from the very same people who are vetted and hired by the company, a very intersectionally aware company; I wonder how much value a D and I committee has that my union dues are paying for. Frankly, that’s a fair question. One that was probably answered on the first thread since there are mandates for businesses to have such statements and was probably learned by the original op who was unnecessarily castigated by the childish and small behavior of the op of this thread.

Good job keeping it real and flexing some message board thug lyfe

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I didn’t say that is what is happening, Captain StrawMan….. I am using hyperbole to explain how much I DON’T care what is done. But hey, that sort of spin and deflection is pretty common these days.

My gawd can you all just stop? 4 pages going back and forth about stuff that doesn’t affect you, get a hobby.

Oh man, you’re gonna laugh but I thought you were inviting me to join you in a straw man fallacy competition…

This is embarrassing for me. Thanks for being cool about it & remembering to call me captain, though.

Ever notice the people who calls others snowflakes are the biggest snowflakes of them all?

I haven’t seen that term used on this thread?
sounds racist to me….