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Spesiellsporing 08-01-2023 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 3676304)
I’m hardly a fuddy duddy but If it’s less than 16 hours I don’t even bother with a beer. Just not worth it. Plenty of time for fun at home or the rare 24 hour+ overnight.

Atta boy/girl! If you can’t tell the difference between a couple beers or glasses of wine with dinner 14 hrs before departure vs the action required to report with a .132 then there’s no hope.

DarkSideMoon 08-01-2023 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by Spesiellsporing (Post 3676348)
Atta boy/girl! If you can’t tell the difference between a couple beers or glasses of wine with dinner 14 hrs before departure vs the action required to report with a .132 then there’s no hope.

I just sleep like garbage even after 1 beer so unless I have time to sleep in I skip. I also prefer to have either more than just one or two with dinner or none at all. Never been worried about showing up .132. Although in Europe I’d be pretty leery of even one or two 12 hours out just on the off chance you blow .01.

Just personal preference, I don’t judge when guys down a few on a 12.5 hour overnight. We’re all built differently and one beer or six beers I generally sleep like garbage.

Spesiellsporing 08-01-2023 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 3676354)
I just sleep like garbage even after 1 beer so unless I have time to sleep in I skip. I also prefer to have either more than just one or two with dinner or none at all. Never been worried about showing up .132. Although in Europe I’d be pretty leery of even one or two 12 hours out just on the off chance you blow .01.

Just personal preference, I don’t judge when guys down a few on a 12.5 hour overnight. We’re all built differently and one beer or six beers I generally sleep like garbage.

I can appreciate the sleep issue.

One or two and it’s out of your system in 3-6 hrs. The issue isn’t about a time limits. The population demographic (in all facets of career and life) that continually appear on the radar operate outside the norms of limits. They need help.

Bahamasflyer 08-01-2023 01:37 PM

Alcohol is eliminated at 0.015% per hour, so to even blow a 0.01% 12 hrs later you would have had to stop drink with a BAC of 0.19.

Sorry but even 3 or 4 beers won’t get you even closeeee to that!

There is nooooo way guys are getting busted who have stopped drinking 12:01 before duty who have had a few beers.

Let’s not kid ourselves, they people getting busted even in Europe/UK were hammered and don’t know when to stop

ClownDown 08-01-2023 04:05 PM

carry a breathalyzer. I do. problem solved

rickair7777 08-01-2023 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by FAR121 (Post 3676134)
didn’t realise the article said they were that much over. What I meant was always respect the 8 hour limit and also that .04 is FAA whereas in most Europe countries it’s 0.0

Is the equipment that precise? I thought it couldn't reliably detect much below 0.02?

Article says this happened on Sunday and the guy got a six month suspended prison sentence and license revoked (not sure what license France can revoke). That was fast...

ReadOnly7 08-01-2023 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3676464)
Is the equipment that precise? I thought it couldn't reliably detect much below 0.02?

Article says this happened on Sunday and the guy got a six month suspended prison sentence and license revoked (not sure what license France can revoke). That was fast...

The license revocation was most likely in the states. Showing up to operate while under the influence is an automatic forfeiture of all certs. Not necessarily an automatic loss of employment, but at 63 I’m sure he has decided to decline the HIMS program.

trip 08-02-2023 06:06 AM

A fellow crewmember would be wise to stop this before leaving the lobby or at the airport curb after the van ride.

Tropical 08-02-2023 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by trip (Post 3676658)
A fellow crewmember would be wise to stop this before leaving the lobby or at the airport curb after the van ride.

Yet that never seems to happen. Maybe it's because they were drinking together? Maybe the other pilots want to be a bro and not cause problems for him. Maybe the rest of the crew didn't notice. Maybe they figure it will be fine, let's just get out of here. Probably not the first time either, and when this happens, usually the pilot who gets busted is a known factor. They just finally pushed it too far.

Best approach is not to get hammered on overnights, and stop at a reasonable time, well before FAR limits.

TFAYD 08-02-2023 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3676464)
Is the equipment that precise? I thought it couldn't reliably detect much below 0.02?

Article says this happened on Sunday and the guy got a six month suspended prison sentence and license revoked (not sure what license France can revoke). That was fast...

France cannot revoke an FAA license but they can ban him from exercising his license in France and probably any EASA airspace.

a little inaccurate reporting but the net effect is the same for flying in Europe


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