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unstabilized 08-04-2023 06:59 AM
TK Expansion
 
(Reuters) - United Airlines on Friday said it is spending $33 million to buy 113 acres (46 hectares) in Denver as part of its growth strategy.

The Chicago-based U.S. airline said it plans to use "part of this land as the site for the expansion of our world-class Denver pilot training facility."

Asked if United could use the land to move its corporate headquarters, a United spokeswoman said, "The land in Denver gives us options for the future as we implement our big plans to grow."

United is acquiring two parcels, including one just outside Denver International Airport with access to its Flight Training Center.

United added that it has "been in Chicago for decades and have thousands of employees here" and that the airline has an immediate need to expand its Flight Training Center.

"Beyond that, it’s prudent for any large company to take advantage of opportunities to buy land in its key cities when the opportunity arises – so we didn’t want to miss this opportunity in Denver," the airline said.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/unite...140250824.html

Wonder if they'll build a campus like AA did.

Location MUCH closer to the airport. 17671 E. 64th Ave.

Pilot4000 08-04-2023 07:14 AM
That is where the A350 sims will go

Andy 08-04-2023 07:20 AM
Originally Posted by Pilot4000 (Post 3677838)
That is where the A350 sims will go
It could happen...
-J Tenuta

Pilot4000 08-04-2023 08:50 AM
Originally Posted by Andy (Post 3677843)
It could happen...
-J Tenuta
Sure would be nice.

three1five 08-04-2023 05:35 PM
33mil… That’s $290k per acre…

Company could build 452 homes each on a .25 acre lot, sell each home for $750k (it’s Denver), that would be $339 million or 10 times the initial investment and by that time we’ll be on Delta’s profit sharing plan. This could work out well

Chuck D 08-04-2023 06:10 PM
That sounds like the underpants gnomes method of profit! I’m all about that if so

Airhoss 08-05-2023 04:01 AM
Originally Posted by Pilot4000 (Post 3677838)
That is where the A350 sims will go
It’s for the Boom, electric sky hoppers and a day care facility for our new hires. They are also putting in an elder care for the 65 and older pilots.

nene 08-05-2023 08:59 AM
Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 3678248)
It’s for the Boom, electric sky hoppers and a day care facility for our new hires. They are also putting in an elder care for the 65 and older pilots.
Just throw in a birthing center and a mortuary/graveyard and you have a true cradle to grave facility.......

prex8390 08-05-2023 10:04 AM
Originally Posted by unstabilized (Post 3677826)
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/unite...140250824.html

Wonder if they'll build a campus like AA did.

Location MUCH closer to the airport. 17671 E. 64th Ave.
If it's anything close to what like AAs campus is, it's not something we should strive for. I've heard their hotel is the definition of "big brother". Tons of rules like no sandals around the hotel, crew ID everywhere you go including the gym as well as the bar. No food or drinks back to your room. Lots of cameras and have to sign into their version of FT to access Wi-Fi.

I can see this facility handling growth to the airbus nb fleet and potentially a350 fleet and or being used primarily for CQ events. TK physically has no where else to go. DL is building a facility in SLC that is primarily gonna be used for west coast based pilots CQ events. They're building it as we speak.

DarkSideMoon 08-05-2023 11:10 AM
Originally Posted by prex8390 (Post 3678431)
If it's anything close to what like AAs campus is, it's not something we should strive for. I've heard their hotel is the definition of "big brother". Tons of rules like no sandals around the hotel, crew ID everywhere you go including the gym as well as the bar. No food or drinks back to your room. Lots of cameras and have to sign into their version of FT to access Wi-Fi.

I can see this facility handling growth to the airbus nb fleet and potentially a350 fleet and or being used primarily for CQ events. TK physically has no where else to go. DL is building a facility in SLC that is primarily gonna be used for west coast based pilots CQ events. They're building it as we speak.
Plus that area kinda sucks. No pedestrian infrastructure, a handful of low-end chain restaurants and on the far fringes one very expensive grocery store. Wouldn’t be terrible for your usual in and out CQ crews but it would suck to be stuck there for a month or two.

I wonder if they couldbury the parking lot and put in another building or two but I’m not sure if you could anchor a sim with a parking garage underneath it.

CRJCapitan 08-05-2023 11:42 AM
Originally Posted by prex8390 (Post 3678431)
If it's anything close to what like AAs campus is, it's not something we should strive for. I've heard their hotel is the definition of "big brother". Tons of rules like no sandals around the hotel, crew ID everywhere you go including the gym as well as the bar. No food or drinks back to your room. Lots of cameras and have to sign into their version of FT to access Wi-Fi.

I can see this facility handling growth to the airbus nb fleet and potentially a350 fleet and or being used primarily for CQ events. TK physically has no where else to go. DL is building a facility in SLC that is primarily gonna be used for west coast based pilots CQ events. They're building it as we speak.
Pretty accurate assessment, but it really is nice for short stays and you can walk/bike to the training center easily. It’s used almost exclusively for recurrent/training events that only take a few days. If it’s longer than that, they put you in a local hotel so it works out pretty well.

baseball 08-05-2023 01:06 PM
Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 3678248)
It’s for the Boom, electric sky hoppers and a day care facility for our new hires. They are also putting in an elder care for the 65 and older pilots.
My sources indicate it is a "fortnight" tournament center for new hires.

DonP 08-06-2023 12:15 PM
Originally Posted by prex8390 (Post 3678431)
If it's anything close to what like AAs campus is, it's not something we should strive for. I've heard their hotel is the definition of "big brother". Tons of rules like no sandals around the hotel, crew ID everywhere you go including the gym as well as the bar. No food or drinks back to your room. Lots of cameras and have to sign into their version of FT to access Wi-Fi.

I can see this facility handling growth to the airbus nb fleet and potentially a350 fleet and or being used primarily for CQ events. TK physically has no where else to go. DL is building a facility in SLC that is primarily gonna be used for west coast based pilots CQ events. They're building it as we speak.

nah, that’s fake news. I was just did a few days there. You just have to wear your ID when you’re out and about the hotel, not in the gym and your room obviously. You could swear sweats and bring food to your room all the time, which is what I did. Idk about the wifi but who cares. Use a hotspot if you can’t put down your OF addiction. Place was pretty convenient with good food and amazing fun, beautiful biking trails and close distance to training. A lot nicer looking than that gulag looking TK facility.

Voski 08-07-2023 06:46 AM
From atop the tower of the new HQ in Denver, they will have a Death Star-esque direct energy weapon to decimate AA and SWA HQs in Dallas, thus allowing for further consolidation of corporate power and assuring hegemonic rule of the UAL-CVS alliance.

JimmyS 08-12-2023 10:44 AM
Originally Posted by unstabilized (Post 3677826)
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/unite...140250824.html

Wonder if they'll build a campus like AA did.

Location MUCH closer to the airport. 17671 E. 64th Ave.
I would like to see smaller “TK’s” throughout the system at some of the larger bases. This would cut costs with less travel, less hotels, etc. it would also open up a larger pool of instructor candidates. Has this ever been discussed?

MasterOfPuppets 08-12-2023 10:52 AM
Originally Posted by JimmyS (Post 3681563)
I would like to see smaller “TK’s” throughout the system at some of the larger bases. This would cut costs with less travel, less hotels, etc. it would also open up a larger pool of instructor candidates. Has this ever been discussed?
it would also be massively inefficient with 20 million dollar assets.

LAXtoDEN 08-12-2023 11:00 AM
Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3681573)
it would also be massively inefficient with 20 million dollar assets.
Because airlines have totally not made boneheaded inefficient decisions before? United is currently financing a lost cause airline (Mesa) which just reported another loss of 50 million for 3rd Q earnings. They keep pumping money into that walking L. I think everyone would rather see them waste money on a new training center for United pilots than burn it on a failing regional airline.

CANEWT 08-12-2023 11:24 AM
My thoughts went to an in house ab initio training program. Connected to, but separate from TK.

Spartacusbob 08-12-2023 03:10 PM
Originally Posted by JimmyS (Post 3681563)
I would like to see smaller “TK’s” throughout the system at some of the larger bases. This would cut costs with less travel, less hotels, etc. it would also open up a larger pool of instructor candidates. Has this ever been discussed?
You also double the admin, construction, leasing, energy, logistics, manpower costs for doing that. With the massive upfront costs, in the calculus, it would probably be more expensive.

Sniper66 08-13-2023 01:33 PM
Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3681578)
Because airlines have totally not made boneheaded inefficient decisions before? United is currently financing a lost cause airline (Mesa) which just reported another loss of 50 million for 3rd Q earnings. They keep pumping money into that walking L. I think everyone would rather see them waste money on a new training center for United pilots than burn it on a failing regional airline.


you must hate them a lot to write that

three1five 08-13-2023 06:21 PM
Originally Posted by JimmyS (Post 3681563)
I would like to see smaller “TK’s” throughout the system at some of the larger bases. This would cut costs with less travel, less hotels, etc. it would also open up a larger pool of instructor candidates. Has this ever been discussed?
I understand the inefficiencies of this idea but imagine a natural disaster in Denver that takes the TK offline for a few months—while Dallas and Atlanta remain unaffected. We’d slowly grind to a halt with all eggs in one basket, so to speak. I believe the Seattle earthquake 20 years or so ago took almost all if not all of the Boeing in house sims offline for quite a while.

i suppose we could send people to any available sims worldwide at that point.

DarkSideMoon 08-13-2023 07:00 PM
Originally Posted by three1five (Post 3682273)
I understand the inefficiencies of this idea but imagine a natural disaster in Denver that takes the TK offline for a few months—while Dallas and Atlanta remain unaffected. We’d slowly grind to a halt with all eggs in one basket, so to speak. I believe the Seattle earthquake 20 years or so ago took almost all if not all of the Boeing in house sims offline for quite a while.

i suppose we could send people to any available sims worldwide at that point.
What natural disaster? Denver rarely gets tornados and when they do they’re not typically more than an EF1 or 2. Not likely to get a significant earthquake. Biggest risk in the area is wildfires and you’re not getting one in the middle of the city.

11atsomto 08-13-2023 07:06 PM
Originally Posted by three1five (Post 3682273)
I understand the inefficiencies of this idea but imagine a natural disaster in Denver that takes the TK offline for a few months—while Dallas and Atlanta remain unaffected. We’d slowly grind to a halt with all eggs in one basket, so to speak. I believe the Seattle earthquake 20 years or so ago took almost all if not all of the Boeing in house sims offline for quite a while.

i suppose we could send people to any available sims worldwide at that point.
I believe UAL or any airline for that matter has contingencies for these type of things. The office is called Business Continuity and Disaster Recovery.

All In 08-14-2023 09:44 AM
Sharknado 8

three1five 08-14-2023 10:08 AM
Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 3682290)
What natural disaster? Denver rarely gets tornados and when they do they’re not typically more than an EF1 or 2. Not likely to get a significant earthquake. Biggest risk in the area is wildfires and you’re not getting one in the middle of the city.
i know, it’s a bit of a longshot worry, but anytime all important resources are concentrated in one place, it’s worth consideration. [Insert quote about ships being too big to sink / companies too big to fail]

Andy 08-14-2023 12:23 PM
Originally Posted by three1five (Post 3682532)
i know, it’s a bit of a longshot worry, but anytime all important resources are concentrated in one place, it’s worth consideration. [Insert quote about ships being too big to sink / companies too big to fail]
We've also done sims in other facilities in the past. This is one that has been used by United: https://www.panamacademy.com/

TFAYD 08-15-2023 10:52 AM
Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3681573)
it would also be massively inefficient with 20 million dollar assets.
yet that’s exactly what DAL is doing in SLC

i suspect we will follow them in 10-15 years.


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