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Originally Posted by Ca73
(Post 3693572)
Council 33 FO Rep Mario Martins’ piece on this TA nails it. I urge everyone who has not read it to do so. I entered this AIP/TA with full optimism and a sense of urgency based on where we stand from an economic cycle perspective. Sadly, I am a hard “no” on this TA. I won’t be complicit in what I view as an assault on the foundation of our careers. Section 8 amounts to a cancer that threatens to consume us from the inside out.
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
(Post 3693508)
100%. We’re not giving up leverage, we’re selling leverage while the leverage commands a high price. That’s smart. Once either another black swan or the 0-hero ab initio pipelines fully spool up the Captain vacancy leverage will go away.
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Originally Posted by Random Task
(Post 3693657)
And what exactly did we get for that high price? Point to any single item in the TA that is industry leading. We got marginally improved work rules in some areas and concessions in others. This leverage will be squandered for nothing.
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Agree with the sentiment that caused the start of this thread, and I also don’t see how the NC “sold high”. Our rates, DC, etc. were thankfully a product of the market, not us negotiating for them. Of course this was after we dodged a bullet shot at us by a squad of dunces; but our work rules continue to be inadequate. Be it a negative change in how sick time works, or the wholly terrible global reserve rules that it seems every reserve will soon endure. The goal of distracting this pilot group again with a few dollars while assaulting various corners of the related sections appears to have worked according to what I assume was the plan. Pilots tripping over a few bucks at the expense of solid language is a real shame. SK sleeps well tonight.
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
(Post 3693981)
As an outsider (and my pet project:)) I submit that the profit sharing coming up to Delta's AND making it pensionable might be worth as much as 1.5 Billion dollars over the course of the contract. So, even though it may not be industry leading, it is far, far superior to what you had and had a price tag associated with it.
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Originally Posted by crflyer
(Post 3694223)
Agree with the sentiment that caused the start of this thread, and I also don’t see how the NC “sold high”. Our rates, DC, etc. were thankfully a product of the market, not us negotiating for them. Of course this was after we dodged a bullet shot at us by a squad of dunces; but our work rules continue to be inadequate. Be it a negative change in how sick time works, or the wholly terrible global reserve rules that it seems every reserve will soon endure. The goal of distracting this pilot group again with a few dollars while assaulting various corners of the related sections appears to have worked according to what I assume was the plan. Pilots tripping over a few bucks at the expense of solid language is a real shame. SK sleeps well tonight.
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Originally Posted by Fyziksisphun
(Post 3694327)
Are you saying global reserve rules are now applying to the nb fleets?
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Originally Posted by Fyziksisphun
(Post 3694327)
Are you saying global reserve rules are now applying to the nb fleets?
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Originally Posted by evodiver
(Post 3693575)
We aren't all in C33, care to cut and paste his missive?
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
(Post 3694231)
f market forces alone would get an airline to parity with another why did AA get such a turd?
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