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flynd94 12-02-2023 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by SandMan2 (Post 3730456)
I'm new to the 121 world, but is it normal to accept multiple offers and then decide before class starts which company to work for?


Normal now yes, go back 5 years and you were excited to get one CJO. We are living in strange times when it comes to airline hiring

Brickfire 12-02-2023 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 3730618)
This raises a related question. Obviously if you start class somewhere and then resign to go somewhere else, you've burned a bridge. But if you were to politely withdraw, say, a few weeks before class...would that bridge be forever burned?

That sort of belt and suspenders thinking is good. But the circumstances you describe are 1) you have been hired at and quit one career job 2) you have been hired at and no longer work at a second career job without a major black mark on your record. Not to say it can't happen ... but it's really really really rare.

But if, you went from United to Delta and then suddenly had some incredibly compelling need to live in Denver ... you might have a shot as long as the hiring mill continues. When the universe flips right-side up again, probably not.

BlueScholar 12-02-2023 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by SandMan2 (Post 3730456)
I'm new to the 121 world, but is it normal to accept multiple offers and then decide before class starts which company to work for?

Yes!!! Accept multiple offers, get class dates and ideally line up your first class date at your preferred spot. Once you are in class cancel the rest when you feel like it. You have no idea what will happen tomorrow and you want as many lifelines as you can, as long as you can, especially while you're furlough bait in the bottom few percent. The companies will furlough you without a second thought if the $$$ makes sense. I wouldn't feel bad even if you start with brand X and walk to brand Y 1 week into class.

Otterbox 12-02-2023 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 3730618)
This raises a related question. Obviously if you start class somewhere and then resign to go somewhere else, you've burned a bridge. But if you were to politely withdraw, say, a few weeks before class...would that bridge be forever burned?

Depends on the company, and the hiring environment. In this current hiring spree DAL and UAL have hired back pilots who have left previously. UAL has said applicants CJOs are good for 12 months if they decide going elsewhere doesn't work out. Some LCCs, that are more insecure about their status as a career destination, you're dead to them if you give them the TBNT.

Sliceback 12-03-2023 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by SandMan2 (Post 3730456)
I'm new to the 121 world, but is it normal to accept multiple offers and then decide before class starts which company to work for?

Yes in today's demand vs supply world, especially for the better candidates. Nine years ago only the top few got 3-4 offers. Many didn't even get 2 offers. Now guys that wouldn't have been hired several years ago are getting multiple offers.

As others have mentioned if "not #1" hires you first go there. If a higher choice has you scheduled for class date shortly afterwards try and push the first start date back. If you get to "not #1" and a company higher on your list hires you keep moving up your list until the difference is meaningless.

The longer you're at any airline the more value your current job has. Eg a year ago you were considering AA vs UA. Make AA #1 and UA #2. UA hires you? Go. But a year later you have 2000+ guys behind you at UA and another 2000+ ahead of you at AA. Is AA still better than UA when you'll retire hundreds or perhaps 1000+ numbers more junior? Too many variables that only you can answer.

Podrick 12-03-2023 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 3694127)
Mid 30s you値l be able to be a WBCA before you retire at UAL, probably not at AA or DAL. If so, not for nearly as long.

Would you mind telling me how long, or what percentage company seniority, to hold WB FO and CA in ORD?

Currently 29 years old and I知 two years in at the legacy without an ORD base. Mulling over if I really want to commute for the rest of my life, and curious what kind of seniority it would take at UAL to get back to WB flying.

Otterbox 12-03-2023 07:55 PM


Originally Posted by Podrick (Post 3731403)
Would you mind telling me how long, or what percentage company seniority, to hold WB FO and CA in ORD?

Currently 29 years old and I知 two years in at the legacy without an ORD base. Mulling over if I really want to commute for the rest of my life, and curious what kind of seniority it would take at UAL to get back to WB flying.

Probably 787 FO 6-9 months after indoc and about 20 years to 787 CA in ord. That could get lower as UAL takes more 787s, or re-opens the 777 base.

Podrick 12-04-2023 04:51 AM


Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 3731439)
Probably 787 FO 6-9 months after indoc and about 20 years to 787 CA in ord. That could get lower as UAL takes more 787s, or re-opens the 777 base.

Oh wow, I知 surprised it痴 still that good after all the hiring the last few years. Thanks for the info.

Otterbox 12-04-2023 05:10 AM


Originally Posted by Podrick (Post 3731531)
Oh wow, I知 surprised it痴 still that good after all the hiring the last few years. Thanks for the info.

Who knows how that will change in the future. If you want to go to United, you should probably try sooner rather than later. Commuting doesn't get better with time. If you're already on a widebody and like your company now it's worth considering moving to base before resetting your seniority.

banned 12-04-2023 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by Hangman (Post 3694126)
Currently have class dates at the big 3. Starting at UA soon. Curious what everyone's thoughts are these days with the new contracts, seniority progression, future hiring, growth, etc. What would you do if you were in my shoes? Mid 30's, no family, and wont be commuting.

By won't be commuting, you live close to a base for all 3? I'd put a bit of thought in to where you want to live for the rest of your life if you're going to move to a base.


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