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Short call question
Sat SC recently on the last day of my reserve block (next day was HDO). I was thinking that at some point during the 14-hr SC, I am essentially useless to scheduling. Using a 2am-4pm SC at EWR as an example, I figured after about 10am or so, I can't legally be assigned anymore. Assuming a quick out-and-back, 45 min flight each way with a 45 min ground time, no FDP extension, and no irregular ops...
10am notify by scheds of 2.5 hr call-out 1230 report 1330-1415 leg 1 1415-1500 ground time 1500-1545 leg 2 1545-1600 "debrief" Anything missing from my assumptions? Does scheduling have any guidelines for releasing early in this case? (Yes, I know the contract allows release if unassigned at 1600, 1500 in UPA23.) |
Originally Posted by QOLmax
(Post 3733610)
Sat SC recently on the last day of my reserve block (next day was HDO). I was thinking that at some point during the 14-hr SC, I am essentially useless to scheduling. Using a 2am-4pm SC at EWR as an example, I figured after about 10am or so, I can't legally be assigned anymore. Assuming a quick out-and-back, 45 min flight each way with a 45 min ground time, no FDP extension, and no irregular ops...
10am notify by scheds of 2.5 hr call-out 1230 report 1330-1415 leg 1 1415-1500 ground time 1500-1545 leg 2 1545-1600 "debrief" Anything missing from my assumptions? Does scheduling have any guidelines for releasing early in this case? (Yes, I know the contract allows release if unassigned at 1600, 1500 in UPA23.) |
Originally Posted by JTwift
(Post 3733612)
did you pick it up, or was it assigned?
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Originally Posted by QOLmax
(Post 3733610)
Sat SC recently on the last day of my reserve block (next day was HDO). I was thinking that at some point during the 14-hr SC, I am essentially useless to scheduling. Using a 2am-4pm SC at EWR as an example, I figured after about 10am or so, I can't legally be assigned anymore. Assuming a quick out-and-back, 45 min flight each way with a 45 min ground time, no FDP extension, and no irregular ops...
10am notify by scheds of 2.5 hr call-out 1230 report 1330-1415 leg 1 1415-1500 ground time 1500-1545 leg 2 1545-1600 "debrief" Anything missing from my assumptions? Does scheduling have any guidelines for releasing early in this case? (Yes, I know the contract allows release if unassigned at 1600, 1500 in UPA23.) |
Originally Posted by QOLmax
(Post 3733622)
Picked it up, but does that make a difference?
This Section 20-K-6-h shall not apply to a Reserve who aggressively picks up a short call assignment that begins at 1400 or later on their last day of reserve. If a Reserve is assigned a short call assignment that begins at 1400 or later on their last day of reserve, they must be explicitly notified at time of assignment that they will be completing their short call; if they are not so notified, they are not required to sit the short call assignment, and the assignment is considered to be ‘unused’. |
Originally Posted by QOLmax
(Post 3733610)
Sat SC recently on the last day of my reserve block (next day was HDO). I was thinking that at some point during the 14-hr SC, I am essentially useless to scheduling. Using a 2am-4pm SC at EWR as an example, I figured after about 10am or so, I can't legally be assigned anymore. Assuming a quick out-and-back, 45 min flight each way with a 45 min ground time, no FDP extension, and no irregular ops...
10am notify by scheds of 2.5 hr call-out 1230 report 1330-1415 leg 1 1415-1500 ground time 1500-1545 leg 2 1545-1600 "debrief" Anything missing from my assumptions? Does scheduling have any guidelines for releasing early in this case? (Yes, I know the contract allows release if unassigned at 1600, 1500 in UPA23.) If you're given an assignment on the last day of your reserve block you would need to be released prior to 2359 LBT in order to not disrupt your HDO and trigger add pay. The timeline you put out fits fine for a short call assignment at 1600 LBT (old rules) and still gets you back before the day is over. |
Originally Posted by St Exupery
(Post 3733699)
If you're given an assignment on the last day of your reserve block you would need to be released prior to 2359 LBT in order to not disrupt your HDO and trigger add pay. The timeline you put out fits fine for a short call assignment at 1600 LBT (old rules) and still gets you back before the day is over.
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Originally Posted by QOLmax
(Post 3733610)
Sat SC recently on the last day of my reserve block (next day was HDO). I was thinking that at some point during the 14-hr SC, I am essentially useless to scheduling. Using a 2am-4pm SC at EWR as an example, I figured after about 10am or so, I can't legally be assigned anymore. Assuming a quick out-and-back, 45 min flight each way with a 45 min ground time, no FDP extension, and no irregular ops...
10am notify by scheds of 2.5 hr call-out 1230 report 1330-1415 leg 1 1415-1500 ground time 1500-1545 leg 2 1545-1600 "debrief" Anything missing from my assumptions? Does scheduling have any guidelines for releasing early in this case? (Yes, I know the contract allows release if unassigned at 1600, 1500 in UPA23.) |
Originally Posted by St Exupery
(Post 3733699)
If you're given an assignment on the last day of your reserve block you would need to be released prior to 2359 LBT in order to not disrupt your HDO and trigger add pay. The timeline you put out fits fine for a short call assignment at 1600 LBT (old rules) and still gets you back before the day is over.
With that said, my example in the 1st post would hold true... I can't legally be assigned anything after about 10am, without requiring an FDP extension or disruption of HDO, correct? |
Originally Posted by QOLmax
(Post 3733725)
In my particular example, SC started at 0200. Since that time is considered a RAP per FAR117, my max FDP would be shortest of (A) Table B limits + 4 hrs, which is 13 hrs, or (B) 16 hrs. So max RAP + FDP is 13 hrs, meaning FDP must end by 3pm.
With that said, my example in the 1st post would hold true... I can't legally be assigned anything after about 10am, without requiring an FDP extension or disruption of HDO, correct? |
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