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BubbaGump 01-08-2024 12:16 PM

****Resignation****
 
Question - New hire puts in reaignation, ( CJO in hand for other place) wakes up a few days later and thinks O Sh%& wrong move and wants to reverse course! Is there any hope at all in reversing course or is the ship resting next to the Tatinic? Thanks

Pilot4000 01-08-2024 12:30 PM

No idea, I don't work for United, but they better have a REALLY good explanation why, if they even get the chance to plead their case.

PK387 01-08-2024 12:31 PM

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hummingbear 01-08-2024 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by BubbaGump (Post 3748133)
Question - New hire puts in reaignation, ( CJO in hand for other place) wakes up a few days later and thinks O Sh%& wrong move and wants to reverse course! Is there any hope at all in reversing course or is the ship resting next to the Tatinic? Thanks

No guarantees but I saw something very similar to this happen in my NH class & the airline was cool about it. There’s not a written policy I’m aware of so it’s more about talking to the right person & having a strong “hat in hand” game. The airline’s aware of what’s going on out there. They know people have options & occasionally have tough decisions to make. If you were dignified both in resignation & request for reconsideration, I think you’d be likely to find a sympathetic ear.

11atsomto 01-08-2024 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by BubbaGump (Post 3748133)
Question - New hire puts in reaignation, ( CJO in hand for other place) wakes up a few days later and thinks O Sh%& wrong move and wants to reverse course! Is there any hope at all in reversing course or is the ship resting next to the Tatinic? Thanks

Well as long as thier record is good, they can apply again of course, but as far as getting their origianal DOH seniority back thats not how it works. Perhaps if the resignation hasnt been processed yet, they have hope....but generally speaking theres not a "Grace period" so to speak to change your mind.
A better question might be now to start contemplating is: Would the individual now be better off re applying at United and starting at the bottom or sticking it out at the new carrier. It would seem the individual appears to think UAL is prefferable one of the two.

I am curious as to why just days later they think they made the wrong call......and what would say months later they wouldn't change thier mind again? Its a very dynamic industry, fleet and growth plans can change, domeciles open and close all in a New York Minute.
Scenarios like this (while confusing to 50 and 60 year olds) are likely going to increase in volume in the coming years as a matter of generational habit/preference/ and general indecisiveness.

Pilot4000 01-08-2024 12:52 PM

The OP has an interesting post history....

744ButtonPusher 01-08-2024 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by 11atsomto (Post 3748153)
Well as long as thier record is good, they can apply again of course, but as far as getting their origianal DOH seniority back thats not how it works. Perhaps if the resignation hasnt been processed yet, they have hope....but generally speaking theres not a "Grace period" so to speak to change your mind.
A better question might be now to start contemplating is: Would the individual now be better off re applying at United and starting at the bottom or sticking it out at the new carrier. It would seem the individual appears to think UAL is prefferable one of the two.

I am curious as to why just days later they think they made the wrong call......and what would say months later they wouldn't change thier mind again? Its a very dynamic industry, fleet and growth plans can change, domeciles open and close all in a New York Minute.
Scenarios like this (while confusing to 50 and 60 year olds) are likely going to increase in volume in the coming years as a matter of generational habit/preference/ and general indecisiveness.

This is incorrect. So long as they have not reached their date of resignation or been told by the company they are already terminated, they have not been removed from the seniority list and can therefore rescind their resignation and keep their seniority number.

And before you say, it not written in the UPA, there is already precedent for it. Now, that being said, a probationary pilot can be let go for for any reason and the company can let them go anyway.

BlueScholar 01-08-2024 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by Pilot4000 (Post 3748157)
The OP has an interesting post history....

My headcanon is this person was hired, picked a bad word in indoc, was worried the company's response would be to wash them out in fleet training no matter what, so they resigned before they could be fired. Then they realized the heat was off them and decided that they could have made it through training anyways and now wants to come back. There is nothing anyone can say to convince me that this theory isn't accurate, and I will not accept any follow up questions, thank you.

ReadOnly7 01-08-2024 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by BlueScholar (Post 3748202)
My headcanon is this person was hired, picked a bad word in indoc, was worried the company's response would be to wash them out in fleet training no matter what, so they resigned before they could be fired. Then they realized the heat was off them and decided that they could have made it through training anyways and now wants to come back. There is nothing anyone can say to convince me that this theory isn't accurate, and I will not accept any follow up questions, thank you.

I picked the same word in Indoc that Animal Mother picked in Full Metal Jacket. Everything worked out ok so far….

Whoever pointed out that the OP is the “weed” guy from Indoc……makes a very good point.

”asking for a friend”

”allegedly”

Stan446 01-08-2024 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by BlueScholar (Post 3748202)
My headcanon is this person was hired, picked a bad word in indoc, was worried the company's response would be to wash them out in fleet training no matter what, so they resigned before they could be fired. Then they realized the heat was off them and decided that they could have made it through training anyways and now wants to come back. There is nothing anyone can say to convince me that this theory isn't accurate, and I will not accept any follow up questions, thank you.

I have a question?

BubbaGump 01-08-2024 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by BlueScholar (Post 3748202)
My headcanon is this person was hired, picked a bad word in indoc, was worried the company's response would be to wash them out in fleet training no matter what, so they resigned before they could be fired. Then they realized the heat was off them and decided that they could have made it through training anyways and now wants to come back. There is nothing anyone can say to convince me that this theory isn't accurate, and I will not accept any follow up questions, thank you.

****BINGO****

CaseTractor 01-08-2024 06:26 PM

I don't get it, what was the alleged word? Or what did it rhyme with?

They can fire anyone anytime, why would they wait to fleet training to remove someone ?

Plausible but doesn't make sense...

Airhoss 01-09-2024 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by CaseTractor (Post 3748326)
I don't get it, what was the alleged word? Or what did it rhyme with?

They can fire anyone anytime, why would they wait to fleet training to remove someone ?

Plausible but doesn't make sense...

Bazinga....

If they want you gone in indoc you'd be gone. There is no way that they'll single you out in the FTD or sims. It does not work like that. There is no secret room in TK where they get together and tell the instructors to fail a selected candidate. You guys watched to much Harry Potter when you were kids.

And what in the heck is BS talking about when mentioning "picked a bad word in indoc" ****?

TurquoiseLine 01-09-2024 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 3748428)
Bazinga....

If they want you gone in indoc you'd be gone. There is no way that they'll single you out in the FTD or sims. It does not work like that. There is no secret room in TK where they get together and tell the instructors to fail a selected candidate. You guys watched to much Harry Potter when you were kids.

And what in the heck is BS talking about when mentioning "picked a bad word in indoc" ****?

there are folded name tents that you choose a descriptive word about yourself/value

2StgTurbine 01-09-2024 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by TurquoiseLine (Post 3748456)
there are folded name tents that you choose a descriptive word about yourself/value

What the hell are they doing in indoc these days?

JurgenKlopp 01-09-2024 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by TurquoiseLine (Post 3748456)
there are folded name tents that you choose a descriptive word about yourself/value

That is a heck of way to f around and find out...

worstpilotever 01-09-2024 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by TurquoiseLine (Post 3748456)
there are folded name tents that you choose a descriptive word about yourself/value

so what word did he choose? large ****?

Shrek 01-09-2024 08:21 AM

Decision making in this industry matters.......good luck in the future.

89Pistons 01-09-2024 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by BubbaGump (Post 3748133)
Question - New hire puts in reaignation, ( CJO in hand for other place) wakes up a few days later and thinks O Sh%& wrong move and wants to reverse course! Is there any hope at all in reversing course or is the ship resting next to the Tatinic? Thanks

If you haven't done it already, send R.S. an email or call and ask. He's really cool. Understanding. He can give you an answer or get an answer for you. Probably better to get an answer sooner than later even if the answer is no. Good luck.

mittenstate 01-10-2024 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by worstpilotever;[url=tel:3748476
3748476[/url]]so what word did he choose? large ****?

Pretty sure we had to pick from a list of words. Not make up our own.

My guess, CJO at DL and once they heard the slowed down hiring from the norm, “crap, shouldn’t have resigned.” This is the same person that is always chasing the greener grass and won’t be happy anywhere anyway.

PilotBases 01-10-2024 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by mittenstate (Post 3748956)
Pretty sure we had to pick from a list of words. Not make up our own.

My guess, CJO at DL and once they heard the slowed down hiring from the norm, “crap, shouldn’t have resigned.” This is the same person that is always chasing the greener grass and won’t be happy anywhere anyway.

I know someone who went from Big Freight to Legacy A to B and now CJO at C. They are convinced each move will be the right one and they'll be happy finally.

tnkrdrvr 01-10-2024 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by PilotBases (Post 3749005)
I know someone who went from Big Freight to Legacy A to B and now CJO at C. They are convinced each move will be the right one and they'll be happy finally.

This sort of stupidity is only possible in a job market like we have now.

jdavk 01-10-2024 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by tnkrdrvr (Post 3749041)
This sort of stupidity is only possible in a job market like we have now.

Yep. And when (not if) the music stops a lot of these guys are going to be kicking themselves for giving up their seniority at Legacy X in search of greener pastures (which don't exist, anyway) at Legacy Y.

11atsomto 01-10-2024 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by PilotBases (Post 3749005)
I know someone who went from Big Freight to Legacy A to B and now CJO at C. They are convinced each move will be the right one and they'll be happy finally.

You might want to look at the AME on that medical

Grumble 01-11-2024 07:17 AM


Originally Posted by BubbaGump (Post 3748133)
Question - New hire puts in reaignation, ( CJO in hand for other place) wakes up a few days later and thinks O Sh%& wrong move and wants to reverse course! Is there any hope at all in reversing course or is the ship resting next to the Tatinic? Thanks

Would you take you back? I wouldn’t.

“Oh you found a better deal, then got buyers remorse days later? Too bad.”

hummingbear 01-11-2024 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 3749495)
Would you take you back? I wouldn’t.

“Oh you found a better deal, then got buyers remorse days later? Too bad.”

Though it may seem like that would be the case I have seen examples of the airline working with people through situations similar to this. They invest a lot in training a NH, so especially in today’s competitive labor market- they’re probably more inclined to keep you on then to lock the door behind you as long as- big if- you’ve kept your nose clean up to that point.

If you’re a known problem child, on the other hand, well…

NotTHATJoker 01-11-2024 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by hummingbear (Post 3749669)
Though it may seem like that would be the case I have seen examples of the airline working with people through situations similar to this. They invest a lot in training a NH, so especially in today’s competitive labor market- they’re probably more inclined to keep you on then to lock the door behind you as long as- big if- you’ve kept your nose clean up to that point.

If you’re a known problem child, on the other hand, well…

My experience in corporate life is, once someone resigns or signals they're done, they are either done or first on the chop list when it happens.

What we do can be more readily reduced to numbers: If the company has invested, it's probably worth getting them on the line and filling open flight slots for as long as possible. It is really just numbers moreso than in a corporate environment where a bad apple hanging out in the copy room or at the water cooler can infect others. Let's face it, there's only a couple places someone leaving UAL can realistically go anyway...this assumes one is not a "bad apple" - those need to go.


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