Competitive Hours?
 

Just a quick question if I stand any chance at getting a call from United if I apply. I have around 5,000 hours 1,500 of it is PIC heavy time in the 767-300 and I have no degree. Thanks for any input.

It's a crapshoot again at this point with hiring slowing down all over. Definitely more competitive now than it has been the last two years. But I'd imagine you'd get a call.

Nobody knows, but it looks like you meet all the minimums and your chances are zero until you apply.

Hiring under the normal program seems to have stopped dead in its tracks at least until United and Boeing figure out what the 73 and 78 delivery schedule will look like, or what any airbus order sheet and delivery schedule will look like. That means the pool of qualified applicants will be deeper than it has been recently, so that will change the math on what is competitive or not. You won’t know how competitive your overall application is until you apply and get a CJO or wait forever for an interview. People have been hired without a degree but that seems like the biggest box you haven’t checked yet, so hopefully you can make up some points elsewhere in your application.

Agreed. If you had a degree, I would say you would have no issue with being called. You could still get called without a degree, but it’s a much lower chance.

Try getting a hitting coach job with the Rockies, you'll get a call in NO TIME.

1. Contact Cage Marshall Consulting. Have them do your resume, give you interview prep. Ensure your FAA Class-1 is valid/current

2. Go to the next job fair coming up. PAPA will be the "next" event, in June. https://www.asianpilots.org/events

3. ^^^ consider volunteering at the job fair

The above will likely result in at least an invite to an interview. NO INTERVIEWS are happening CURRENTLY, FYI. At United.

I was in TK yesterday and interviews are indeed still happening. Talked to some of the candidates myself. I've no clue how far classes are already filled, but interviews are definitely happening as of today.

I mean, THE thing that gets bandied about over and over is 1000hr 121 TPIC. You got that. 5000 hours isn't 10 but it's substantial. The college thing ... hard to know how that is shaking out ... the world is not awash in 1000TPIC guys applying to the majors. But what do you lose by applying?

Of course you do. Have your application professionally reviewed and meet them at a job fair.

Seasoned veteran compared to the 1500 hr riddle children we are hiring today...

The question they will ask is WHY do you not have any college. Assuming you can get that far.

I've flown with some pretty awful "seasoned veterans" and some outstanding 1500 hr riddle children. And vice versa. Depends on the person.

Agreed. If there's one thing I've learned after a few decades in aviation, it's that you can't judge a book by its cover. We like to stereotype the "1500 hour riddle kids" as spiky-haired, earbud-wearing, backpack-toting, social-media-sharing, smartphone-obsessed, entitled brats. And yes, a few of them certainly do fit the stereotype. But by and large, the low-time, younger guys I've flown with have been consistently sharp and conscientious.

Similarly, I've flown with many super-senior CAs who were great mentors, really knew their craft, and were an absolute joy to fly with. But I've also flown with a few super-senior older guys (both CAs and senior FOs) whom I had to watch like a hawk. The few times where the airplane got close to an undesirable state, were mostly with super senior CAs who wouldn't listen to reason (like the guy who insisted on flying a heavy CRJ-700 at FL390 into mountain wave on a hot summer day, with the speed dialed all the way back to M .68 "so we can make a few bucks." Those of you who have flown that airplane will know just how sketchy of a situation that is.)

Having said all that, it got kinda old at my former shop (regional) to hear the 24-year-old FOs complain "Man I've been here 18 months and no legacies have called me yet." If I had a dollar for every time I heard that...

I heard a MEOW on guard in the middle of the Atlantic the other day. Clear indication that 1500 hour pilots are getting assigned 757/767.

I apologize in advance but I find it hard to believe that there is any captain on a CRJ that really understands how high altitudes and poor performing airplanes can be a bad combination. My previous experience was on a 145, but I learned a whole helluva lot about how jets and altitude interact with temperature and weight my first few years here.

I interviewed this week, group was small though. Less than 10, with a few being Aviate.

Agree. My last gig was wide body CA at a cargo carrier. Was always leory of the young RJ-to-intl wide body types but by and large they were quite sharp. Hungry to learn, and were their own harshest critics. Always exceptions to that of course. The people to watch out for were the old hands who have let complacency and over-confidence slip in.

That is exciting! I was becoming discouraged because I thought all interviewing had been halted. I have military experience (non-flying), I'll be upgrading at my regional in the next few months, and I literally just finished my Bachelors Degree today. Hopefully I'll be competitive after I get done with upgrade

yeah sure la de da...those awful seasoned vets were probably idiots before they were seasoned. Nonetheless "seasoning" 99% of the time is preferred, but people want to cherry pick the one idiot to rationalize low time is good.

So back on topic.

I seem well qualified but was turned down after interviewing in February. Junior ULCC captain, nearly 5000 Part 121, BS degree, good flying and employment record, and live 30 minutes from Newark.
The interview objectively went well. What do you think, just keep on doing what I'm doing and try again next year? Because of the slowdown in hiring has it become harder for non-military/Aviate people to get hired?

Short answer is yes try again......maybe invest in some interview prep like Cage Consulting etc. before your next interview.

And no the interview did not go well if there was no job offer. An interview prep course hopefully will shed some light on why.

Your self reflection is off. If you did not get hired, your interview did not good well. United has a 100% hiring opportunity.

Did you do interview prep?

Really? They would ask that? Is it a barrier to entry when the demand for pilots is low? Or a true metric of a quality aviator? Or maybe a combination of both?

I know for certain over the past 2 years (hiring wave) the goal post was very close to the applicant.

A lot of times it's financial. Some folks had to choose between flight training or a degree.
Just a thought...

Of course they would. You only been around for the last couple of years?

Of course a degree, by and large, isn't reflective of raw ability as an aviator. It is, however, in a GENERAL sense reflective of certain abilities when looking at the whole-person concept. Yes, I know plenty of people with BAs in basket weaving, too.

yeah, a lot of things have happened the past couple years that deviate from the norm. Requiring a degree being one of those things.

Then that's what you tell an interviewer if asked...

Buddy got an email from United that stated:

“We are reaching out to advise that your application has reached a point in our selection process of restricted review, however please be rest assured that you will have an opportunity at a later time to access and update your application.”

That was back in March and he hasn’t heard anything since. Anyone receive something similar and get an invite?

the next one might be a leadership inventory assessment?

I went to TPNx and talked to a recruiter and they told me 7000TT is competetive right now.

I currently have 3600TT/ 1000TPIC, aviation degree, 2 internals, B-737 type. No bites yet, have been applying for the past 2-3yrs for an extra data point.

Dayuuum that’s harsh.

[QUOTE=Dream;3802747]I went to TPNx and talked to a recruiter and they told me 7000TT is competetive right now.

I currently have 3600TT/ 1000TPIC, aviation degree, 2 internals, B-737 type. No bites yet, have been applying for the past 2-3yrs for an extra data point.[/QUOTE

i recently just got a CJO this month with 2700 TT and 80TPIC with 0 internal recommendations, so I guess it's not really 7000TT LOL

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Logically the entire thread topic is ridiculous. OK, I get that it's emotional and it's hard not to get invested in such a topic, but really - logically - it makes no difference.

Should someone apply to a job they want? Well hell yes, how else are they going to get it? To get ANY job they are going to have to apply. So when do you apply? Equally obvious - you apply when you meet the minimum listed criteria to qualify. And you apply EVERYWHERE that would be an improvement in career prospects from your current job that you would be willing to take. Why not? Multiple apps are mostly cut and paste. Some you'll already be competitive for, some you'll need to just keep updating until you build the experience to be competitive - a cutoff that varies from month to month - even day-to-day, by what OTHERS are applying and how screwed up Boeing happens to be currently, things you have no control over whatsoever.

As Wayne Gretzky said, "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."

I think you’ve quoted “The Great One” at-least Twenty-something times. It’s not the first time you’ve repeated something to an exhausting extent.

Have you ever been evaluated by a psychiatrist for high-functioning OCD?

[QUOTE=Excargodog;3802906]Dont you know who you’re talking to? This is excargodoggie. The only thing he’s going to be missing is gainful employment. But, it sounds like he’s already made his way over to United. Couple years of slinging gear should humble him.

I still don’t understand how he hasn’t at least changed his profile name. At least own it and call yourself Ex-NKdog or something.

he still goes on the regional forums and talks how they’re alll going out of business. Come on dude. (And I hate the regionals too)