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iahflyr 06-29-2024 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by Larry in TN (Post 3815589)
As far as reassignments, when a flight needs a new crewmember on short notice, the company can assign a field standby, a short-call, or reassign someone already on a trip. Those are the only options. Which do we want the company to use? Do we want more FSBs or less? Do we want a longer SC call-out period or a shorter one? Do we want more reassignments or fewer? We can structure the contract to favor whichever option we prefer. The trend seemed to me in negotiations was to disincentivise FSB and, to some extent, short-notice SCs. That leaves reassignments.

100% accurate. The company follows the incentives in the contract the same way that we do. When we made FSB less desirable this contract, it makes the other options (especially reassignments) more desirable. I can’t say I blame them.

at6d 06-29-2024 08:12 AM

This happens everywhere. Know the contract, be cool. It’s a recorded line usually. No favors.

Gooselives 06-29-2024 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by aerow88 (Post 3815505)
This didn’t get the love it deserved. What a headshot

Regional schedule and scheduling was wayyyy better. Gonna double down big time on this one. Longer overnights to get exercise and explore. Time for a meal or two with crew. None of this min rest BS all the time. And dont forget partial trip drops. Drop that turn at the end of your pairing should you start getting fatigued. These schedules here are all
min rest and late early late flip flops.

C11DCA 06-29-2024 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by Gooselives (Post 3815676)
Regional schedule and scheduling was wayyyy better. Gonna double down big time on this one. Longer overnights to get exercise and explore. Time for a meal or two with crew. None of this min rest BS all the time. And dont forget partial trip drops. Drop that turn at the end of your pairing should you start getting fatigued. These schedules here are all min rest and late early late flip flops.

What category and seniority are you because that is hardly the norm at all

Swakid8 06-29-2024 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by Gooselives (Post 3815676)
Regional schedule and scheduling was wayyyy better. Gonna double down big time on this one. Longer overnights to get exercise and explore. Time for a meal or two with crew. None of this min rest BS all the time. And dont forget partial trip drops. Drop that turn at the end of your pairing should you start getting fatigued. These schedules here are all
min rest and late early late flip flops.

I have no idea what seat or category you are in. But I disagree with regional scheduling being better.

Most of my layovers have been on the longer side, 15 to 20 hours on average here where as my regional schedule were min rest to 13 hours on average.

The early to late or late to early swaps sucks. But that is likely to the nature of flying we do. The regionals flying is usually concentrated in one region of the country that makes those swaps less likely to happen, but they are there.

I say this has a jr NB CA.

Anyways, this next point isn’t directly aimed towards you Goose but the OP. Know the contract, don’t be trying to make deals outside of the contract. Like every contract, there are holes that will benefit the company and holes that benefit us as a pilot group. Know the rules of the game then play the game using those rules to maximize your benefit and minimize the companies.

abj123 06-29-2024 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by Gooselives (Post 3815349)
Crew Scheduling here is worse than the regionals by far

Lies and mistreatment

Non-stop reassignments

Going out of hierarchy order

Line holders getting reassignments like crazy feels like reserve

Makes deals and than takes it back once you finish the flight.

More lies and manipulation

Culture from crew scheduling is pretty toxic

Fly Safe out there

We have language in the UPA that will get you an extra vacation day per UPA-illegal assignemnt from the company. Perhaps filing a PDR and having them take a look at what's happening to you might be in order?

ThumbsUp 06-29-2024 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by glassnpowder98 (Post 3815653)
Before leaving my house for a trip, I’ve had a 4 day turned into a 5 day due to a cancellation on day 2, and multiple times being reassigned into a day off. I wouldn’t say it’s a common occurrence, but the UPA gives the company the ability to take away your day off if they really need you (outside of WX and MX issues of course). Why do we have FDOs and RDOs? Last summer I was used nearly every month on my FDOs. Should I make plans on my first reserve day after my FDO because that’s what I usually end up getting off? The company has to pay out pretty big to work you into your day off, why not force that flying into open time and PP where it will get eaten up like candy by someone who actually wants to work on their day off.


I think I had you confused with someone more senior. Being on reserve or a junior lineholder is a grind.

Shrek 06-29-2024 02:39 PM

I'm glad you got screwed because you cooked up a "special" deal.

goinaround 06-29-2024 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by Gooselives (Post 3815676)
Regional schedule and scheduling was wayyyy better. Gonna double down big time on this one. Longer overnights to get exercise and explore. Time for a meal or two with crew. None of this min rest BS all the time. And dont forget partial trip drops. Drop that turn at the end of your pairing should you start getting fatigued. These schedules here are all
min rest and late early late flip flops.

Did you ever work for a regional? Thought you came straight from the military.....

Spesiellsporing 06-29-2024 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3815633)
That sounds like CAL.

You’re killing me Smalls! 😂


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