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Excargodog 09-03-2024 05:19 AM

What’s causing all the dropped wheels?
 
Yeah, gravity - that much I get. But is there a supply chain shortage of cotter pins, safety wire, thread lock...something? It's embarrassing, costly, and eventually going to kill someone.

PK387 09-03-2024 07:07 AM

Was there another one?

Excargodog 09-03-2024 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by PK387 (Post 3834249)
Was there another one?

Mmmm. 757 (DL) had a nose gear tire fall off on taxi out in ATL, UA 777 in Mar at SFO, UA 757 @ LAX in Jul, not to mention two mx guys killed in the DL tire shop I just can't remember a spate of tire related problems like this. I know the FAA was looking into this but haven't heard anything official or otherwise.

tipofthe 09-03-2024 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3834273)
Mmmm. 757 (DL) had a nose gear tire fall off on taxi out in ATL, UA 777 in Mar at SFO, UA 757 @ LAX in Jul, not to mention two mx guys killed in the DL tire shop I just can't remember a spate of tire related problems like this. I know the FAA was looking into this but haven't heard anything official or otherwise.

sounds like another boeing issue 😂

edit: clarifying sarcasm cuz internets

ZippyNH 09-03-2024 09:36 AM

Could say DEI hires in MX, but that wouldn't be politically correct

m3113n1a1 09-03-2024 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by ZippyNH (Post 3834284)
Could say DEI hires in MX, but that wouldn't be politically correct

Wouldn't be factually correct either, but hey no one cares about that.

It's probably something boring like overworked, underpaid workers causing high turnover and incentivizing cutting corners.
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Tranquility 09-03-2024 10:34 AM

Did they stop teaching righty tighty lefty loosey???

Chimpy 09-03-2024 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 3834289)
Did they stop teaching righty tighty lefty loosey???

Ever try using that while on your back all twisted upside down underneath a car or airplane?, lol.

madmax757 09-03-2024 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 3834288)
Wouldn't be factually correct either, but hey no one cares about that.

It's probably something boring like overworked, underpaid workers causing high turnover and incentivizing cutting corners.
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Well if it’s like Pilot jobs, I’d guess being a MX technician at the big airlines would be the place to be. A lot of airlines are giving bonuses for experienced A&Ps right now. Just like senior pilots, a lot of the senior MX supervisors and techs have retired . So now you have a 3 year mechanics supervising multiple fleets. I think it’s disingenuous to try and blame everything on DEI.

Peoplemvr 09-03-2024 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by Chimpy (Post 3834307)
Ever try using that while on your back all twisted upside down underneath a car or airplane?, lol.


Tried in the bedroom once, got slapped.

170Till5 09-03-2024 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by madmax757 (Post 3834309)
Well if it’s like Pilot jobs, I’d guess being a MX technician at the big airlines would be the place to be. A lot of airlines are giving bonuses for experienced A&Ps right now. Just like senior pilots, a lot of the senior MX supervisors and techs have retired . So now you have a 3 year mechanics supervising multiple fleets. I think it’s disingenuous to try and blame everything on DEI.

there’s way more money in GA aircraft MX than airlines. Huge shortage of mechanics out there.. DL is short 700 mechanics last I heard.. and they take years to train from 0 time.

not to mention in GA they don’t have to work graveyard shift

Bahamasflyer 09-03-2024 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by 170Till5 (Post 3834347)
there’s way more money in GA aircraft MX than airlines. Huge shortage of mechanics out there.. DL is short 700 mechanics last I heard.. and they take years to train from 0 time.

not to mention in GA they don’t have to work graveyard shift

Wouldnt be an issue now if they (not just DAL, but all airlines) hadn't incentivized them to take early outs during COVID knowing damn well it would bounce back quickly.

nene 09-03-2024 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3834273)
Mmmm. 757 (DL) had a nose gear tire fall off on taxi out in ATL, UA 777 in Mar at SFO, UA 757 @ LAX in Jul, not to mention two mx guys killed in the DL tire shop I just can't remember a spate of tire related problems like this. I know the FAA was looking into this but haven't heard anything official or otherwise.

DL 757 had a sheared front axel due to corrosion, not really a "tire falling off", maybe one too many 90deg turns onto the runway.

Rumors are that tire shop incident was a momentary lapse in procedures of trying to take wheel arpart before deflating it.

Just last year, a ramper was struck and severly hit by a lav truck on the ramp.

It's a dangerous business that mostly operates safely, but mistakes and inattention can be deadly.

Ludicrous Speed 09-03-2024 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by ZippyNH (Post 3834284)
Could say DEI hires in MX, but that wouldn't be politically correct

What a dopey attempt to sneak in your socio/political opinions. That crapola doesn't belong here. Go away.

JoePatroni 09-04-2024 01:42 AM


Originally Posted by Peoplemvr (Post 3834310)
Tried in the bedroom once, got slapped.

Once? Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

sailingfun 09-04-2024 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by Bahamasflyer (Post 3834361)
Wouldnt be an issue now if they (not just DAL, but all airlines) hadn't incentivized them to take early outs during COVID knowing damn well it would bounce back quickly.

If they knew damn well it would bounce back quickly why did they offer early outs? Heck any pilot who knew that should be able to retire off inestments made at the bottom! I don't even recall much forum sentiment for a quick recovery. Most was doom and gloom!

Excargodog 09-04-2024 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3834478)
If they knew damn well it would bounce back quickly why did they offer early outs? Heck any pilot who knew that should be able to retire off inestments made at the bottom! I don't even recall much forum sentiment for a quick recovery. Most was doom and gloom!

I agree. Lots of places were incentivizing the early retiring of their people within three years of regular retirement to save money - US Government money even. And when the COVID caused stoppages proved not nearly that enduring, they've been struggling ever since having sent the prime of their corporate memory packing. That hurt a number of different organizations - a large aerospace firm beginning with a "B" and ending with an "oeing" coming rather vividly to mind.

TiredSoul 09-04-2024 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3834229)
Yeah, gravity - that much I get. But is there a supply chain shortage of cotter pins, safety wire, thread lock...something? It's embarrassing, costly, and eventually going to kill someone.

I’m gonna go with…..money

Turbosina 09-04-2024 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by 170Till5 (Post 3834347)
there’s way more money in GA aircraft MX than airlines. Huge shortage of mechanics out there.. DL is short 700 mechanics last I heard.. and they take years to train from 0 time.

not to mention in GA they don’t have to work graveyard shift

I'm very active in GA and actually my local mx shop has told me the opposite.. They can't keep mechanics... People are fleeing to the airlines because they can command much better compensation...

JetDoc 09-08-2024 08:46 AM

Virtually all wheel departures are due a failure of the wheel hub. The wheel nut, safety bolts, wheel bearings and spacers are all found on the axle post flight. This is primarily due a failure during the NDT inspection proccess, or lack thereof, when the wheel assembly is removed and sent for tire replacement. I can not speak for other airlines but L-UAL had a state of the art tire and brake shop at the MOC in SFO for decades. The wheel came off the aircraft, sent to SFO and was overhauled, including NDT inspection of the wheel halves by UAL mechanics. That shop was closed and the work farmed out to the lowest bidder in the early 2000's during bankruptcy. Infer from this what you will.

fostro 09-09-2024 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by Peoplemvr (Post 3834310)
Tried in the bedroom once, got slapped.

Good One!!! LOL

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