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AF OneWire 11-30-2024 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by dailyops (Post 3856972)
It's irrelevant that that they lose theirs every year when we have no sick time payout at retirement. They get 250+ per year and no cap, so unless you plan on calling out for 4 months straight ours is worse. After we vote this in let's see what United wants to cap next

Lots of people call out for over 250 straight before they start LTD. Being able to get paid 90 hours a month while you work thru a longer term medical issue seems pretty good to me. I don’t see how Delta’s is any better or worse, just different, I’m not an expert on Delta’s plan though. If there was anything I would like from Delta’s contract it is their green slip construct (especially for reserves).

Not sure why you are so negative about this (LOA). It’s not earth shattering with either outcome, and it’s not “United” capping anything. This a proposal from our union to try and speed up the CBP.

dailyops 11-30-2024 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by AF OneWire (Post 3856981)
Lots of people call out for over 250 straight before they start LTD. Being able to get paid 90 hours a month while you work thru a longer term medical issue seems pretty good to me. I don’t see how Delta’s is any better or worse, just different, I’m not an expert on Delta’s plan though. If there was anything I would like from Delta’s contract it is their green slip construct (especially for reserves).

Not sure why you are so negative about this (LOA). It’s not earth shattering with either outcome, and it’s not “United” capping anything. This a proposal from our union to try and speed up the CBP.

I'm not sure how a hard limit on 401k contributions would be considered anything other than a cap.

89Pistons 11-30-2024 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by AF OneWire (Post 3856981)
I don’t see how Delta’s is any better or worse, just different, I’m not an expert on Delta’s plan though.

It's math. It takes us 42 months just to accrue 250 hours of sick time. Almost 4 years for us to accrue 250, and that's without getting sick during those 42 months. Takes them 12 months max to reset back to 250. I can't grasp why some folks say ours is better. It's not. During that same 42 months it takes us to accrue 250 hours, DAL pilots have over 1000 hours available to use.

CLazarus 11-30-2024 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by buncee (Post 3856761)
I thought the people that were saying this LOA is like the Tumi TA were being quite dramatic.

Thread drift, but does anyone else see the humor in labeling this the Tumi LOA? It's funny because the person who coined the term Tumi TA is now the MEC Chair.

89Pistons 11-30-2024 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by CLazarus (Post 3856984)
Thread drift, but does anyone else see the humor in labeling this the Tumi LOA? It's funny because the person who coined the term Tumi TA is now the MEC Chair.

The MEC Chair didn't sell this POS LOA to the MEC. The R&I committee and the NC did. And the majority of the members of the MEC voted for it, unfortunately. They were too focused on helping the lawyers out by calling another special meeting the day after the LOA was voted on to file BS Article VIII charges against a rep who's term ends in two months. Many of the reps that voted in favor of Article VIII charges were the ones that voted in favor of this LOA. They were too busy working for lawyers instead of working for the memebership they represent.

This isn't on the MEC Chair. This is on the reps that voted in favor. Hopefully the results of this vote snaps them back to where they their focus needs to be.

billtaters 11-30-2024 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by 89Pistons (Post 3856985)
The MEC Chair didn't sell this POS LOA to the MEC. The R&I committee and the NC did. And the majority of the members of the MEC voted for it, unfortunately. They were too focused on helping the lawyers out by calling another special meeting the day after the LOA was voted on to file BS Article VIII charges against a rep who's term ends in two months. Many of the reps that voted in favor of Article VIII charges were the ones that voted in favor of this LOA. They were too busy working for lawyers instead of working for the memebership they represent.

This isn't on the MEC Chair. This is on the reps that voted in favor. Hopefully the results of this vote snaps them back to where they their focus needs to be.

The MEC Chair is a defacto member of the NC within ALPA. You can't realistically blame a Negotiating Committee for bringing something to an MEC while insulating the MEC Chair.

I don't think any Article VIII charges were voted on or brought in the most recent meeting, nor was a separate special meeting called the day after the LOA.

PK387 11-30-2024 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by billtaters (Post 3857004)
I don't think any Article VIII charges were voted on or brought in the most recent meeting, nor was a separate special meeting called the day after the LOA.

Take another look at the Nov 22 MEC Update email, subject line "Special Mtg Wrap-Up"

jdavk 11-30-2024 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by billtaters (Post 3857004)
The MEC Chair is a defacto member of the NC within ALPA. You can't realistically blame a Negotiating Committee for bringing something to an MEC while insulating the MEC Chair.

The proper term is “ex officio member” per the Policy Manual and the Negotiating Committee takes their orders from the MEC (the reps). The MEC Chair is then tasked with carrying out the direction of the MEC when the MEC is not in session.

TLDR: The MEC Chairs do not have as much power as everyone seems to think.

calpilot69 11-30-2024 09:25 PM

We should pass out yellow lanyards and get some Delta attorneys for 2025.

Otterbox 12-01-2024 01:15 AM


Originally Posted by calpilot69 (Post 3857031)
We should pass out yellow lanyards and get some Delta attorneys for 2025.

Stop wearing hats... seriously.


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