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JurgenKlopp 12-09-2024 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by LJ Driver (Post 3859629)

I’m a senior FO, I fly with senior CAs. I don’t know any that don’t want this CBP option ASAP

WADR this is as obvious as saying "The Chiefs won by (1-3 spread) after a last second field goal!"

LJ Driver 12-09-2024 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by Flyingphi (Post 3859755)
You can’t be serious!!! We need to least try to get what was promised in the contract first. If the IRS turns it down, then let’s change the contract. Seriously, this is not ok without trying to get what we all agreed to first. Crazy!

Yeah, duh, I’m completely serious.

Getting what’s in the contract is obviously the goal, the wickets needed to get there make it a goal 2-3 years in the future. Stepping in that direction starting with this and maybe another LOA as things get a little closer so people can stop shoveling money into an inferno they’ll never use would be nice.

LJ Driver 12-09-2024 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by JurgenKlopp (Post 3859778)
WADR this is as obvious as saying "The Chiefs won by (1-3 spread) after a last second field goal!"

Right, so return the favor they’ve done for us and show some respect by giving them another off-ramp for spill that isn’t locked in the RHA.

Gooselives 12-09-2024 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by LJ Driver (Post 3859834)
Right, so return the favor they’ve done for us and show some respect by giving them another off-ramp for spill that isn’t locked in the RHA.

Return the favor? Probably the 49 percent that voted no on the pandemic loa. This loa does not help many and especially hurts those that have many years to go. Some really need there health account moneys. Praying for those families

UALinIAH 12-09-2024 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by LJ Driver (Post 3859834)
Right, so return the favor they’ve done for us and show some respect by giving them another off-ramp for spill that isn’t locked in the RHA.

This almost 60 yr old is hoping this fails spectacularly. You're not helping most of us. Just a chosen few who've been sitting in the left seat of a WB for decades. But you do you and in 11 hrs we'll see who was with the majority.

Flyingphi 12-09-2024 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by LJ Driver (Post 3859831)
Yeah, duh, I’m completely serious.

Getting what’s in the contract is obviously the goal, the wickets needed to get there make it a goal 2-3 years in the future. Stepping in that direction starting with this and maybe another LOA as things get a little closer so people can stop shoveling money into an inferno they’ll never use would be nice.

There should be no LOA’s about this unless the irs denies what we have in the contract we just voted in. This plan will return almost nothing when you factor in inflation. Once this company cap in the prap is lowered it will never go back. Wake up man….this is complete bs. It will never change back and most likely all the things we were told we would get in the contract won’t happen. We need to get it all done the first time around…if it takes another year so be it.

LJ Driver 12-10-2024 04:01 AM


Originally Posted by Flyingphi (Post 3859854)
There should be no LOA’s about this unless the irs denies what we have in the contract we just voted in. This plan will return almost nothing when you factor in inflation. Once this company cap in the prap is lowered it will never go back. Wake up man….this is complete bs. It will never change back and most likely all the things we were told we would get in the contract won’t happen. We need to get it all done the first time around…if it takes another year so be it.


?? What other things in the contract haven’t happened?

It won’t be a year it will probably be closer to 2. And the PRAP cap is a company interpretation of IRS regs and the contingent benefits rule, I’m guessing their army of lawyers looked at it pretty closely. If they’re wrong, great for us, if they’re right the PRAP cap will be as the LOA is written. Either way the 30% equities stake is in the UPA so that’s a done deal.

Judging by the visceral interweb reaction to the LOA it likely won’t pass, which is a shame mostly for the older pilots whose RHAs will far outlive them and then pass along to… the rest of us.

Flyingphi 12-10-2024 04:36 AM


Originally Posted by LJ Driver (Post 3859906)
?? What other things in the contract haven’t happened?

It won’t be a year it will probably be closer to 2. And the PRAP cap is a company interpretation of IRS regs and the contingent benefits rule, I’m guessing their army of lawyers looked at it pretty closely. If they’re wrong, great for us, if they’re right the PRAP cap will be as the LOA is written. Either way the 30% equities stake is in the UPA so that’s a done deal.

Judging by the visceral interweb reaction to the LOA it likely won’t pass, which is a shame mostly for the older pilots whose RHAs will far outlive them and then pass along to… the rest of us.

good I hope your right….we should not rush it and if it takes 2 years than so be it. United’s show file what we originally agreed to then amend it as needed…not the other way around! I know we already agreed to the 30% and the fees charged, that’s why less of the company money should go to it or we should at least have an option where the spillage goes like the contract says.

Hedley 12-10-2024 04:42 AM


Originally Posted by LJ Driver (Post 3859906)

Judging by the visceral interweb reaction to the LOA it likely won’t pass, which is a shame mostly for the older pilots whose RHAs will far outlive them and then pass along to… the rest of us.

Most RHA's aren't that fat on cash and can easily be spent. Long term care premiums, hospital stays, assisted living cost......... Even a big pile could go pretty fast. Getting old ain't cheap.

KnightNight 12-10-2024 06:04 AM

If we can’t get what we negotiated in the contract then we renegotiate and they give us something more somewhere else to make up for the shortfall. Not sure why people are in a rush to get this done, we had an agreement if they can’t make that due to the IRS etc then we need something else in return or we wasted negotiating capital to get this.


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