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You just can’t go wrong IMO especially if you try to avoid a commute at least over the long run. At that age you don’t need to hustle too hard to have more than most people know what to do with after almost 40 years. Let’s say you save like a boss and the retirement savings number is $17M at one place and $20M at the other. Who cares? Also who can accurately predict this industry’s arc in 4 decades? SWA I think it’s fair to say won’t be a 737-only operation in 2045+. How they navigate that might be both opportunity and challenge. I get bored with things eventually, I love certain layover destinations more than others and value that time, and love where I live which happens to have a big UAL presence. I’m definitely leaving money on the table but would do the same at the other carrier. You’re good either way. Just find what checks the most boxes for you and don’t look back and don’t dwell on the what ifs.
Originally Posted by feelthebern
(Post 4004350)
Curious what your advice (along with UAL guys) would be to someone with CJOs at both SWA and UAL at 27 years old on which way to lean. Willing to move to any base at either company.
My gut and heart says UAL, but that pay at SWA is hard to pass up… Feels foolish to just choose a carrier based on pay, though, considering that stuff evens out over 38 years |
Originally Posted by flyguy81
(Post 4004383)
27? I’d say UAL. Chance to make $ is probably easier at SWA but your QOL and seniority will grow faster at UAL. Upgrade is quicker if you want the $. Being able to get to any base is also quicker at UAL. At SWA you’ll start in BWI or MCO and it’ll be a slow move to the west. Forget it if you want DEN, right now it’s 3 years seniority to be the plug FO or 10.5 to be the plug CA and that will grow.
If you started in April at SWA you’d retire at #108. Roughly 65% system seniority to upgrade so assuming 0% growth and attrition only for age 65, you’re looking at early 2036 to upgrade (prob be less due to growth and early medical, etc). No idea what it looks like on the UAL side…
Originally Posted by feelthebern
(Post 4004350)
Curious what your advice (along with UAL guys) would be to someone with CJOs at both SWA and UAL at 27 years old on which way to lean. Willing to move to any base at either company.
My gut and heart says UAL, but that pay at SWA is hard to pass up… Feels foolish to just choose a carrier based on pay, though, considering that stuff evens out over 38 years One caution I'd take about UAL is the number of people hired in the last 5 years. Whereas until recently, they had really quick upgrades, that's not to say that someone hired today may have the same upgrade opportunity. That's something that a UAL pilot should be able to help you with. I'm pretty sure they have the same tools to be able to project career progressions. |
Originally Posted by flyguy81
(Post 4004383)
27? I’d say UAL. Chance to make $ is probably easier at SWA but your QOL and seniority will grow faster at UAL. Upgrade is quicker if you want the $. Being able to get to any base is also quicker at UAL. At SWA you’ll start in BWI or MCO and it’ll be a slow move to the west. Forget it if you want DEN, right now it’s 3 years seniority to be the plug FO or 10.5 to be the plug CA and that will grow.
If you started in April at SWA you’d retire at #108. Roughly 65% system seniority to upgrade so assuming 0% growth and attrition only for age 65, you’re looking at early 2036 to upgrade (prob be less due to growth and early medical, etc). No idea what it looks like on the UAL side… |
Originally Posted by feelthebern
(Post 4004350)
Curious what your advice (along with UAL guys) would be to someone with CJOs at both SWA and UAL at 27 years old on which way to lean. Willing to move to any base at either company.
My gut and heart says UAL, but that pay at SWA is hard to pass up… Feels foolish to just choose a carrier based on pay, though, considering that stuff evens out over 38 years More the work your fingers to the bone type? Probably SWA. |
Originally Posted by RStrawberry
(Post 4004463)
upgrade is quicker at UA now, OP’s UAL upgrade will likely be as quick or slower than Southwest upgrade if hired today.
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Originally Posted by RStrawberry
(Post 4004463)
upgrade is quicker at UA now, OP’s UAL upgrade will likely be as quick or slower than Southwest upgrade if hired today.
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Originally Posted by Chuck D
(Post 4004407)
You just can’t go wrong IMO especially if you try to avoid a commute at least over the long run. At that age you don’t need to hustle too hard to have more than most people know what to do with after almost 40 years. Let’s say you save like a boss and the retirement savings number is $17M at one place and $20M at the other. Who cares? Also who can accurately predict this industry’s arc in 4 decades? SWA I think it’s fair to say won’t be a 737-only operation in 2045+. How they navigate that might be both opportunity and challenge. I get bored with things eventually, I love certain layover destinations more than others and value that time, and love where I live which happens to have a big UAL presence. I’m definitely leaving money on the table but would do the same at the other carrier. You’re good either way. Just find what checks the most boxes for you and don’t look back and don’t dwell on the what ifs.
$17 million or $20 million? |
Originally Posted by FlyPanAm
(Post 4005288)
$17 million or $20 million?
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Honestly yeah, ballpark numbers but that’s not a stretch. Try a compound interest calculator with reasonable numbers and the results are mind blowing over long periods of time. Something I REALLY wish I understood better say 30 years ago lol. For fun try 40 years with an initial sum of $50k, 10% rate of return and $100k added annually (pretty reasonable with company plus personal contribution and it hard to imagine that not going up over the decades)… that’s… $46M. 7% annually comes to $20M and 5% comes to $12M, and 5% is lower than most professionals use. If you’re not investing in Iraqi Dinars or your brother’s cousin’s best friend’s investment of a lifetime just don’t do something dumb and you’ve won the game regardless of which carrier you work for (yeah past performance does not guarantee future results and all that)
Originally Posted by FlyPanAm
(Post 4005288)
$17 million or $20 million?
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Originally Posted by Chuck D
(Post 4005313)
Honestly yeah, ballpark numbers but that’s not a stretch. Try a compound interest calculator with reasonable numbers and the results are mind blowing over long periods of time. Something I REALLY wish I understood better say 30 years ago lol. For fun try 40 years with an initial sum of $50k, 10% rate of return and $100k added annually (pretty reasonable with company plus personal contribution and it hard to imagine that not going up over the decades)… that’s… $46M. 7% annually comes to $20M and 5% comes to $12M, and 5% is lower than most professionals use. If you’re not investing in Iraqi Dinars or your brother’s cousin’s best friend’s investment of a lifetime just don’t do something dumb and you’ve won the game regardless of which carrier you work for (yeah past performance does not guarantee future results and all that)
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