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OFFCOURSE 04-14-2026 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by sl0wr0ll3r (Post 4023366)
Did your therapist have you show on a doll where a Flight Attendant hurt you?


Smh . Just giving my opinion. You may agree or disagree, I don’t care , just my $0.02 from what I’ve personally witnessed lately.

Aero1900 04-14-2026 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by JackReacher (Post 4023264)
Give it a rest dude. This isn’t political, it’s common sense.

Just trying to get a laugh.

But the JB/ NK guys felt very, very attacked by the Biden administration for trying to block their merger.

MELedMel 04-14-2026 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by sl0wr0ll3r;[url=tel:4023366
4023366]Did your therapist have you show on a doll where a Flight Attendant hurt you?


That would be mostly my eyes

But that’s all of North America

​​​Ever since stewardess became “flight attendants” it’s been a downward toilet spiral

stewardess
https://i.postimg.cc/Cx7Nxbgq/IMG-2088.jpg

flight attendant
https://i.postimg.cc/13sBSJLK/IMG-2087.jpg


I just put my earbuds in noise canceling mode, put my shades on and go to sleep right when I get seated.


Hedley 04-14-2026 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by KoolAid69 (Post 4023320)
jfk bos mco fll

MCO and FLL have typically been saturated markets with lower yielding vacation travel and not what they seem to be going after. No idea what they want out in BOS, but I still suspect when it comes to a merger the juice still isn’t worth the squeeze. United doesn’t seem want their route network outside of JFK access, and I suspect the 220’s and CEO’s would all be parked. I get why JB employees would be in favor of this after seeing what has happened to Spirit and considering NB’s finances since the pandemic, but I really don’t think Kirby and crew are interested. Could be wrong, I guess we’ll find out in time.

JackpotAir 04-14-2026 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by MELedMel (Post 4023430)
That would be mostly my eyes

But that’s all of North America

​​​Ever since stewardess became “flight attendants” it’s been a downward toilet spiral

stewardess
https://i.postimg.cc/Cx7Nxbgq/IMG-2088.jpg

flight attendant
https://i.postimg.cc/13sBSJLK/IMG-2087.jpg


I just put my earbuds in noise canceling mode, put my shades on and go to sleep right when I get seated.

Im just saying that girl on the bottom is probably down for a good Mexican dinner, a couple of margaritas and a night out you won’t forget.

Girl on the top will these days is likely going to want to hit the gym and eat a salad.

Busdriver999 04-14-2026 03:36 PM

I'm a 1st year FO on the 737 at American. How long would it take for me to hold WB Captain at United after we get stapled to the bottom? Isom promised me 10 years at indoc.

Busdriver999 04-14-2026 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by JackpotAir (Post 4023438)
Im just saying that girl on the bottom is probably down for a good Mexican dinner, a couple of margaritas and a night out you won’t forget.

Girl on the top will these days is likely going to want to hit the gym and eat a salad.


Yeah. It shows that she can down a few burritos and margaritas that you paid for. And then tell you to get your own damn trash bag when you ask for one the next day.

SoFloFlyer 04-14-2026 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by Busdriver999 (Post 4023456)
I'm a 1st year FO on the 737 at American. How long would it take for me to hold WB Captain at United after we get stapled to the bottom? Isom promised me 10 years at indoc.

Ooof. Heard the fence would be 25 years. Can we not fence off MIA?

Boeing Aviator 04-14-2026 05:06 PM

My two cents. Pre merger the majority of CAL FA’s treated pax overall very good to way above average, but most treated crews and non revs way below average. United was almost exactly the opposite.

Today 25% of our FA’s very good to exceptional. 40% average to mediocre and 35% absolutely horrible and lazy with a terrible attitude.

FWIW my two cents.

RJDio 04-14-2026 05:55 PM

You can definitely tell when you have a Houston cabin crew. They never call, even on a transcon.

Guppydriver95 04-14-2026 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by RJDio (Post 4023484)
You can definitely tell when you have a Houston cabin crew. They never call, even on a transcon.

No problem. We’ll still come out as we see fit, and have a fresh beverage as needed. Doesn’t matter if they call us, or we call them. But your point is taken. They can be salty.

Turbosina 04-14-2026 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by MELedMel (Post 4023430)
That would be mostly my eyes

But that’s all of North America

​​​Ever since stewardess became “flight attendants” it’s been a downward toilet spiral

stewardess
https://i.postimg.cc/Cx7Nxbgq/IMG-2088.jpg

flight attendant
https://i.postimg.cc/13sBSJLK/IMG-2087.jpg


I just put my earbuds in noise canceling mode, put my shades on and go to sleep right when I get seated.

Yeah, I'm sure you're a fit, toned example of American manhood. GMAFB

FriendlyPilot 04-14-2026 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 4023418)
Just trying to get a laugh.

But the JB/ NK guys felt very, very attacked by the Biden administration for trying to block their merger.

It probably saved JetBlue. They be toast if they had taken that mess for the price.

In other news, there's a Polymarket https://polymarket.com/event/united-...ounced-in-2026

OFFCOURSE 04-14-2026 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by JackpotAir (Post 4023438)
Im just saying that girl on the bottom is probably down for a good Mexican dinner, a couple of margaritas and a night out you won’t forget.

Girl on the top will these days is likely going to want to hit the gym and eat a salad.


Just say you like big girls 🤣😂

Desiflyer 04-15-2026 12:17 AM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 4023214)
Not saying that consolidation won’t happen, I’m just saying that the juice isn’t worth the squeeze when it comes to JB and UA. The big merger talks on this website are by people who want it to happen for personal reasons, not what the Willis Tower crowd wants. Personally, I see any potential consolidation happening at the regional and LCC level but not at the big 4. Either way, we’re just along for the ride.

what’s your deal with this anti JB/UAL. It’s annoying af. Are you a former disgruntled JBU guy/gal?

RStrawberry 04-15-2026 03:13 AM


Originally Posted by Desiflyer (Post 4023532)
what’s your deal with this anti JB/UAL. It’s annoying af. Are you a former disgruntled JBU guy/gal?

it’s just logical…

Aero1900 04-15-2026 03:34 AM


Originally Posted by JackpotAir (Post 4023438)
Im just saying that girl on the bottom is probably down for a good Mexican dinner, a couple of margaritas and a night out you won’t forget.

Girl on the top will these days is likely going to want to hit the gym and eat a salad.

This is the kind of intellectual business analysis I browse this site for. Thank you.

Hedley 04-15-2026 03:54 AM


Originally Posted by Desiflyer (Post 4023532)
what’s your deal with this anti JB/UAL. It’s annoying af. Are you a former disgruntled JBU guy/gal?

No beef with them at all and I sincerely hope that they turn can things around. Others have insisted that they bring a lot to the table and I was arguing that UA only seems interested in a few gates at JFK and wouldn’t deal with a merger just to get them. Sorry if that offends you or isn’t what you want to read.

GhettoJet 04-15-2026 04:50 AM

Here’s how this could work. AA is going to have terrible numbers with Jet A priced where it is. A strategic chapter 11 filing, followed by the merger. If corporate wants this to happen, they can massage the numbers. Your 767s and 757s go away, replaced by our 787s and XLRs. Our 777s go away. Some of our old America West/USAir 320s and and legacy AA 737-800a go away. The newer ones probably get kept. Our Max 8s join your 737 fleet. Network efficiencies will allow for a smaller combined fleet than both airlines currently operate, particularly on the narrow body side.

Are people on your side of the house taking this talk seriously?

jdt30 04-15-2026 04:53 AM


Originally Posted by GhettoJet (Post 4023557)

Are people on your side of the house taking this talk seriously?

No

filler

khergan 04-15-2026 05:17 AM


Originally Posted by GhettoJet (Post 4023557)
Here’s how this could work. AA is going to have terrible numbers with Jet A priced where it is. A strategic chapter 11 filing, followed by the merger. If corporate wants this to happen, they can massage the numbers. Your 767s and 757s go away, replaced by our 787s and XLRs. Our 777s go away. Some of our old America West/USAir 320s and and legacy AA 737-800a go away. The newer ones probably get kept. Our Max 8s join your 737 fleet. Network efficiencies will allow for a smaller combined fleet than both airlines currently operate, particularly on the narrow body side.

Are people on your side of the house taking this talk seriously?

As long as y'all bring a stapler to the table.

Buck Rogers 04-15-2026 05:21 AM


Originally Posted by GhettoJet (Post 4023557)
Here’s how this could work. AA is going to have terrible numbers with Jet A priced where it is. A strategic chapter 11 filing,...

Network efficiencies will allow for a smaller combined fleet than both airlines currently operate, particularly on the narrow body side.

And after the synergizing.....and subsequent smaller combined fleet...is the merged AA gonna eat the furloughs? How u gonna do the merger integration... DOH......stovepipe....or staple AA to bottom since they are not ALPA and are in ch11?

What pilot at UA would even want to get in bed with all the warts on AA? I liken this to people who have a outstanding life and think to themselves..."I need more, more, more" so they add a girlfriend on the side. Can you spell Tiger Woods?

sl0wr0ll3r 04-15-2026 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 4023563)
And after the synergizing.....and subsequent smaller combined fleet...is the merged AA gonna eat the furloughs? How u gonna do the merger integration... DOH......stovepipe....or staple AA to bottom since they are not ALPA and are in ch11?

What pilot at UA would even want to get in bed with all the warts on AA? I liken this to people who have a outstanding life and think to themselves..."I need more, more, more" so they add a girlfriend on the side. Can you spell Tiger Woods?

Relax. Nobody here has any control over the decisions you cite. Federal law (McCaskill-Bond) would govern the SLI process in a AA/UA merger, and who we wish to bed won’t matter to ivory tower dwellers. We don’t need to look down our noses at fellow pilots. I’m not sure how long you’ve been at United, but there was a time when we were hardly the envy of the industry. Circling the drain, we were.

thrust 04-15-2026 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by sl0wr0ll3r (Post 4023613)
Relax. Nobody here has any control over the decisions you cite. Federal law (McCaskill-Bond) would govern the SLI process in a AA/UA merger, and who we wish to bed won’t matter to ivory tower dwellers. We don’t need to look down our noses at fellow pilots. I’m not sure how long you’ve been at United, but there was a time when we were hardly the envy of the industry. Circling the drain, we were.

I don’t think he/she/it is at United. More like a 70-something Delta retiree.

MELedMel 04-15-2026 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by MELedMel;[url=tel:4023430
4023430[/url]]That would be mostly my eyes

But that’s all of North America

​​​Ever since stewardess became “flight attendants” it’s been a downward toilet spiral

stewardess
https://i.postimg.cc/Cx7Nxbgq/IMG-2088.jpg

flight attendant
https://i.postimg.cc/13sBSJLK/IMG-2087.jpg


I just put my earbuds in noise canceling mode, put my shades on and go to sleep right when I get seated.

I don’t even like fat on my steak lol






Originally Posted by Turbosina;[url=tel:4023506
4023506[/url]]Yeah, I'm sure you're a fit, toned example of American manhood. GMAFB


Not sure what “toned” means, but fit, height weight proportions check and I don’t have a bunch of fat on my body, I don’t do the gym but spend a boat load of time outdoors and working on projects, also don’t eat crap food, just as any self respecting man :)​​​​​​​

bababouey 04-15-2026 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 4023563)
And after the synergizing.....and subsequent smaller combined fleet...is the merged AA gonna eat the furloughs? How u gonna do the merger integration... DOH......stovepipe....or staple AA to bottom since they are not ALPA and are in ch11?

What pilot at UA would even want to get in bed with all the warts on AA? I liken this to people who have a outstanding life and think to themselves..."I need more, more, more" so they add a girlfriend on the side. Can you spell Tiger Woods?

Kirby desperately wanted to be AA ceo not too long ago. It’s a viable business, just in incompetent hands at the moment.

ThumbsUp 04-15-2026 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by Desiflyer (Post 4023532)
what’s your deal with this anti JB/UAL. It’s annoying af. Are you a former disgruntled JBU guy/gal?

No one at United would want to merge with B6, nor can we see how it would be financially beneficial.

JackpotAir 04-15-2026 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by MELedMel (Post 4023624)
I don’t even like fat on my steak lol








Not sure what “toned” means, but fit, height weight proportions check and I don’t have a bunch of fat on my body, I don’t do the gym but spend a boat load of time outdoors and working on projects, also don’t eat crap food, just as any self respecting man :)

I think we found the guy that said chunky pilots in uniform look unprofessional! IYKYK

FriendlyPilot 04-15-2026 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 4023630)
No one at United would want to merge with B6, nor can we see how it would be financially beneficial.

Agree its only downside from a pilot perspective considering the profit sharing hit as well as the seniority integration, even with a fence, especially for anyone hired after 2020. Fortunately in 5 years I'll be gone and I won't have to deal with it, but anyone with less than 6 years longevity (9,000 pilots) would have a rude awakening.

TimetoClimb 04-15-2026 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot (Post 4023721)
Agree its only downside from a pilot perspective considering the profit sharing hit as well as the seniority integration, even with a fence, especially for anyone hired after 2020. Fortunately in 5 years I'll be gone and I won't have to deal with it, but anyone with less than 6 years longevity (9,000 pilots) would have a rude awakening.

Why does it have to be that way? More pilots at the aquiring company getting the short end of the stick than there are total pilots at the aquired company. Make it make sense

OFFCOURSE 04-15-2026 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by TimetoClimb (Post 4023732)
Why does it have to be that way? More pilots at the aquiring company getting the short end of the stick than there are total pilots at the aquired company. Make it make sense

Not going to happen. Get your panties in a bunch over something else instead like the FlightDeck app . It allow anyone to see your acars messages. If it’s a security issue, how is this allowed?
Alpa should put a stop to this ASAP .

LifetimeCFI 04-15-2026 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by TimetoClimb (Post 4023732)
Why does it have to be that way? More pilots at the aquiring company getting the short end of the stick than there are total pilots at the aquired company. Make it make sense

I assume because of the difference in age makeup of the UA pilot list vs the B6 pilot list, plus the fact that quite a few B6ers went to UA in the last 9 years, who would now be junior to folks that they were senior to at B6. UA has also hired a lot more post-COVID than B6.

Shrek 04-15-2026 03:45 PM

Jet Blue’s debt is too sketchy for UA to touch it right now………the current fuel prices alone will make B6 flirt with CH11 soon.

PeakEGT 04-15-2026 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by Shrek (Post 4023819)
Jet Blue’s debt is too sketchy for UA to touch it right now………the current fuel prices alone will make B6 flirt with CH11 soon.

& AAs debt level isnt sketchy?

for the record I’m at B6 and think a strategic bankruptcy before any kind of M&A

Jet J 04-15-2026 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by Shrek (Post 4023819)
Jet Blue’s debt is too sketchy for UA to touch it right now………the current fuel prices alone will make B6 flirt with CH11 soon.

Alaska however 🤔

Flyby1206 04-15-2026 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by Jet J (Post 4023826)
Alaska however 🤔

Everything has a price. Alaska’s market cap is more than twice JB’s. Want a good balance sheet? That’s gonna cost you. Willing to take JBLU with some rough edges? Bargain price

Grumble 04-15-2026 11:18 PM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 4023846)
Everything has a price. Alaska’s market cap is more than twice JB’s. Want a good balance sheet? That’s gonna cost you. Willing to take JBLU with some rough edges? Bargain price

$9-10B in debt is more than just a “rough edge”. That’s several years of profit at UAL. No way we touch them without them doing a lap through BK first.

Flyby1206 04-16-2026 06:27 AM

https://podcastaddict.com/the-air-sh...sode/221760517

Good perspectives covering the UA merger landscape

RippinClapBombs 04-16-2026 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 4023846)
Everything has a price. Alaska’s market cap is more than twice JB’s. Want a good balance sheet? That’s gonna cost you. Willing to take JBLU with some rough edges? Bargain price

Did you play Monopoly growing up? Not really what’s emphasized during an acquisition. It’s about pricing power gains which result in higher margins. It’s why SK dreams of an unrealistic acquisition with American—he’s thinking about profits.

Most likely mergers IMHO— UA/JB, AA/AS.

What should happen? Let JB bleed like Spirit and the Big 4 can acquire the slots organically.

Flyby1206 04-16-2026 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by RippinClapBombs (Post 4024139)
Did you play Monopoly growing up? Not really what’s emphasized during an acquisition. It’s about pricing power gains which result in higher margins. It’s why SK dreams of an unrealistic acquisition with American—he’s thinking about profits.

Most likely mergers IMHO— UA/JB, AA/AS.

What should happen? Let JB bleed like Spirit and the Big 4 can acquire the slots.

Agreed, UA/AA would be an Aeroflot fantasy scenario giving the combined carrier incredible pricing power. Even if the US approved it there would be enormous ripple effects globally (TATL JVs, alliances, etc) and I am not sure Europe would be in the mood to play along.

UA/JB would give the next best bang for the buck, allowing UA to increase pricing power in the BOS/JFK areas in particular and further pushing AA into irrelevance.

AA/AS would be a smart combo, and the AS mgmt team could likely turn things around better than Isom has.


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