UAL domicile bid ?
Starting class in March and was wondering how domicile bids are handled. How often are they done? I understand that awards are bid on day 2 of class and you can swap while still in TK. My question is once done with training how often are transfers awarded?
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Originally Posted by Colonel S
(Post 318131)
Starting class in March and was wondering how domicile bids are handled. How often are they done? I understand that awards are bid on day 2 of class and you can swap while still in TK. My question is once done with training how often are transfers awarded?
I'll be returning in April, so my DCA bid should be reactivated by then. Can you be specific as to where you're wanting to go and which aircraft you want? For instance, if you want Seattle, you'll be waiting for quite a while. DCA, ORD, SFO, and LAX should be fairly easy to get. |
Trying to get DEN but from the last few classes and my ss# I dont think i will get it right out of the gate, dont really care about aircraft. Just kinda curious what kind of wait to get DEN. Thanks for the info
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If ORD is available on the 320, there are at least 2 trades posted on the bulletin board trying to get out of DEN and into ORD. When you report for new hire class, there will be a bulletin board across from the classroom in the hallway. If you don't get DEN, you can post your trade there as well. You can trade this way while in training at TK. Once you complete training then the lateral bid is your best option to transfer bases.
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For SSN, the lower last 4 the better. Mine is 07xx. I was #4 of 28; #1 and 2 were previous UAL employees so they went to the front of the line.
First, I HIGHLY recommend that you live in domicile. In your case, driving distance of DIA. You don't want to commute; it'll take years off of your life. It's doable, but decreases QOL bigtime. Let me give you junior man in seat from Jan's SSC report: 737: Den: 8085 ORD: 8071 DCA: 8044 Fifi: DEN: 8083 ORD: 8079 DCA: 8034 LAX: 8074 SFO: 8021 Those numbers are seniority numbers; the higher, the more junior. There are more airbus bids, so I'd recommend bidding fifi. And I'd do it in the following order (based on personal experiences for commutability): DEN, LAX, SFO/ORD, DCA. SFO and ORD are a tossup; I'd go for SFO ahead of ORD because there are a ton of commuters to ORD, not as much to SFO. Chances are, there will only be a couple of guppies in your class and I'd expect it to go reasonably high (but I find it odd that junior man in system is 737 DEN). If your only choices remaining are the guppy, I'd rank order: DEN, ORD, DCA. If you don't get DEN right away, you should be able to get it fairly soon after training. Unless vacancy bids stop, you'll get it within 6 months. Good luck to ya. Edit: full reverse has some great advice. I guess that'd move ORD up the list for bidding for ya; just make sure before bidding that those guys haven't traded yet. And ask anyone ahead of you in class if they intend to trade with one of the guys looking for a trade. There shouldn't be any reason for the more senior guys to screw over the junior ones. In my class, I made it very clear that I'd be taking a panel to ORD, as did the guy senior to me. Those lower in the class were able to do the mental gymnastics. Also, I wouldn't hesitate to ask anyone in front of you with ORD fifi bids if they planned on trading them for DEN just prior to bidding. |
Thanks for all the great advice however I have a few simple questions as I am heading out to TK soon.
1) We have heard DCA is a pain to commute to due to the MIA domicile move. What is the order on difficulty of commute for LCO new hires? 2) Can you all take a guess what a bottom of the class new hire might end up with in upcoming classes at TK? 3) Where is fastest off reserve domicile going to be in the future? I know those weren't easy questions but gathering opinions helps... |
dv, I'll take stabs at them, but those aren't easy to answer.
1 - Where would you be commuting from? Miami? I don't know if domicile would matter that much. I haven't nonreved to/from MIA very much, so I don't know the degree of difficulty. You need to state exactly where you're commuting from. 2 - No guess at all. It looks like the bottom of a previous class got fifi to DEN. When I went through, that wouldn't have happened. The next class could easily get SFO or ORD. 3 - Traditionally, it's been ORD and SFO. Now, I don't have a clue. Where do you want to live and where do you want to domicile? |
Thanks Andy...
I'm in South Florida. FLL and PBI and best for communting. MIA last choice. I've heard DCA is a bear to get to from down here. Looking for ORD domicile but close if not on the 8ball in class. |
dv, you'll have to cover all three bases out of DCA - DCA, IAD and BWI. Well, now that I think about it, I'm not sure if BWI has 737s or airbuses going there, so you may not need to cover that one. Although IAD is going to be the primary you fly in/out of.
Both ORD/MDW and IAD/DCA will have a decent number of flights. You'll not want to limit yourself to UAL jumpseat; I've jumped more on offline carriers than online. Pick an airport that you'd prefer to fly out of - FLL or PBI. You may need to test each airport for a while, but I'd bet that FLL will be your first choice since you'll have multiple carriers out of there. Then you're going to want to check on availability to ORD/MDW and IAD/DCA. For MDW, it's just an L (their mass transit) train ride to ORD, with one connection. For DCA, you can take the Metro to West Falls Church station and then catch the Washington Flyer (they give an airline discount; show your ID). For BWI, I've rented one way from Avis for ~$25. I'm sure that there's cheaper transportation, but I haven't figured it out. I don't know which carriers serve FLL and PBI; I imagine JetBlue (direct IAD), USAirways (direct DCA), Southwest (direct BWI), along with several other carriers - either direct or with stops. You might also want to check on carriers such as Apple Vacations and other package carriers which may serve Chicago/DC direct. I really don't think that it's going to matter if you go with ORD or DCA; both commutes are doable. I discount the comments about MIA hub closing; that's been closed for years and I'm sure that more than a couple of the pilots from that hub are now based out of ORD. I think that you'll figure in pretty short order which hub you'd prefer to commute to. Out of all of your choices, I'd rank ORD/DCA as 1/2 (your choice), then DEN, then LAX, then SFO. That's my best estimates of pain involved with a commute. Unless you're firmly rooted in the MIA area, you may want to move to improve your QOL. |
Your probably right about the MIA base thing...that was awhile ago.
Thanks Andy...very helpful. |
I've had a bit longer to think about commuting. When I was flying for UAL, I always lived where I was domiciled; it made life easy.
Unfortunately, I'll be returning from mil leave to UAL because my wife is going back to active duty AF (ICU nurse). Unfortunately because she'll be stationed in San Antonio, TX - we're currently living in the DC area where I'm on mil orders. I'm DCA based and will keep it that way because that's where my reserve job is at. However, I'm going to end up commuting from SAT to DCA. It'd be a lot easier for me to commute to ORD, but I'll stick with DCA because I can do drills while I'm out there. Back when I was active at UAL, my friends that commuted while on reserve would aggessively pick up trips so that they knew when to travel and wouldn't end up sitting in a hotel room. Since then, there's been a change in reserve rules with long call/short call rules. It sounds much nicer for commuters. Here is the long/short call letter from alpa.org: Systemwide Rollout of Long Call Short Call Reserve System In December 2006 the Company and ALPA reached an agreement to replace the current Base Rest period reserve system with a Long Call Short Call (LCSC) reserve system. The LCSC system is currently being used in all A320 domiciles, as well as ORD 767 Captains and F/Os, and SFO 400 F/Os. This system was exhaustively tested for over 18 months in various fleets and domiciles, and is now ready to be implemented system wide beginning in June 2007. In this document we highlight some useful information that is not mentioned specifically in the LOA. For those pilots who are already familiar with the LCSC system, there are new automation changes that will become available in June that you will want to become familiar with. Below you will find the Letter of Agreement, along with additional information, providing details of the new system. For those of you not familiar with the LCSC system, please read the LOA first, then the additional information below the LOA. If you are unfamiliar with the LCSC reserve rules and find yourself on reserve, it is imperative that you read the LOA very carefully. .. Long Call Short Call Reserve System SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT between UNITED AIR LINES, INC. and THE AIR LINE PILOTS in the service of UNITED AIR LINES, INC. as represented by THE AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERN A TIONAL THIS SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT, is made and entered into in accordance with the provisions of Title II of the Railway Labor Act, as amended, by and between UNITED AIRLINES, INC. (hereinafter referred to as the "Company") and THE AIR LINE PILOTS in the service of UNITED AIR LINES, INC., as represented by the AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL (hereinafter referred to as the "Association"). WHEREAS, the parties desire to modify the existing Reserve System; Now therefore the paries to this Letter of Agreement agree to the following: Basic Rules -- all times are local domicile times (LDT). The overall concept for the Long CallShort Call system is that Long Call reserves will cover known open flying, while Short Call reserves are used for short-notice open flying. 1. All reserve pilots begin each set of reserve days as a Long Call reserve unless awarded a pure Short Call line per paragraph 3-s or converted to a Short Call window in accordance with the procedure described in Paragraphs 4 & 5 below. 2. Long Call reserve rules: a. For a trip assignent, the reserve must be assigned the il with a minimum of thirteen (13) hours notice prior to scheduled departure time. With pilot concurrence this notice may be reduced to 10 hours prior to scheduled departure time for domestic trips and may be reduced further for international trips. b. There will be no assigned monthly base rest periods. The Long Call reserve must be phone available 24 hours a day on his reserve availability days until assigned a trip or Short Call window. c. Assignments will be made in strict FIFO order within silo. d. The crew desk will still assign trips as early as possible in accordance with 20-J-2, 20-J-4 and paragraph 3-E-5 of LOA 91-02. e. The pilot can still opt to minimize Late-Night calls between 0100 and 0659 via the CHGLNC command. If the pilot so opts, the crew desk will only call during those hours ifrequired in accordance with LOA 04-06. A pilot should not select this option ifhe desires at least thirteen (\3) hours notice of an assignment in all cases. If this option is selected, the crew desk will wait until ten (10) to eleven (11) hours prior to scheduled report time or 0700, whichever is earlier to make the assignment. f. The aggressive pickup window for domestic flying will open at twenty-eight (28) hours prior to departure or I 100 the calendar day prior to departure, whichever is earlier. The Silo rules as described in section 20-J-2-c-(4) will apply. g. Long Call reserves are automatically released at 1000 on their last day of availability if no assignment or conversion to Short Call has been made. h. If20-G-8 (only reserve available) is to be utilized, a long call reserve may be assigned a trip less than thirteen (13) hours prior to departure. The crew desk wil make the assignment as soon as possible after the pilot blocks in, to provide the pilot as much notice as possible. The provisions of 20-G-8 are not applicable if a legal Short Call reserve is available. 3. Short Call reserve rules a. In lieu of a flying assignent, a Long Call reserve may be converted to a Short Call window that is up to fifteen (15) hours in duration. Short Call windows may be aggressively picked up by Long Call reserves in accordance with paragraph 4-c below. b. There is no pay credit value for a Short Call window when the pilot is not used. c. The last nine (9) hours prior to the beginning of the Short Call window will serve as the reserve rest period for FAR compliance. There will be no assigned monthly base rest periods. d. A Short Call window is considered as a work day for aggressive pickup purposes. As an example, a six (6) day reserve on short call today would be permitted to pickup a four (4) day trip departing tomorrow. e. A Short Call reserve must be available for a trip assignent in accordance with Section 20-J of the Basic Agreement. If more than one Short Call reserve is legal for a trip it will be assigned as follows: i. Domestic Trips will be assigned to Short Call reserves in the proper silo, or as close as possible. If more than one Short Call reserve is in the same silo, it will be assigned to the earlier Short Call pilot. n. International Trips will be assigned to Short Call reserves with minimum schedule disruption as described in LOA 91-02 paragraph 3-E-1. Ifmore than one Short Call reserve has the same schedule disruption, it will be assigned to the earlier Short Call pilot. 2 f. Once a reserve is assigned to Short Call, the pilot is released until beginning the Short Call window. The Company may attempt to contact the pilot in order to assign him a trip, including one attempt during rest, but the pilot is not required to answer and may refuse the trip until his Short Call window begins. If the trip is assigned, the pilot's rest may be reset. g. If unused, the Short Call reserve reverts back to the Long Call list in FIFO order based on the time his window ended (or the time of his early release, if applicable) or he may be assigned another Short Call window that begins after nine (9) hours of FAR rest. Ifhis Short Call window ends after midnight, he will return to the FIFO list behind reserves starting reserve duty that day. h. A Short Call reserve may be assigned a trip more than thirteen (13) hours from departure if there are no long call reserves or all long call reserves are lining up for other trips. 1. Short Call reserves may aggressively pickup assignments departing on the following calendar day but not assignments departing on the same day as the Short Call window begins. The aggressive pickup window for domestic flying will open at twenty-eight (28) hours prior to departure or 1100 the calendar day prior to departure, whichever is earlier. The current Silo rules as described in section 20-J apply. If a pilot on Short Call aggressively picks up a trip for the following calendar day, the reserve must remain telephone available for the duration of the current Short Call window with the understanding that flying may be assigned that would create a situation where the aggressively picked up trip would need to be removed. The earliest legal departure for picking up a domestic ID is ten (10) hours from the Short Call window end time (or the early release time, if applicable) to allow for nine (9) hours of FAR rest (Crew Desk may, at their option, modify the end of the Short Call window to allow an aggressive pickup that would otherwise be illegal). International trips are not limited for pickup by this restriction. J. The Active Option as described in Section 20-J-2 is not available to Short Call reserves. k. The pilot can opt to minimize Late-Night calls between 0100 and 0659 via the CHGLNC command, and the crew desk will only call during those hours if required in accordance with LOA 04-06. 1. When a pilot calls off the sick list before noon, he is considered a Short Call reserve with his window beginning at the time he calls off sick list unless the crew desk advises him otherwise. This assignent is automatic and does not count towards the seven (7) window monthly limit. The pilot must be available as a Short Call reserve at the moment that he calls off sick list. m. The 1500 automatic release provisions of section 5-G-1-e-( 6)-(b) will apply to Short Call reserves on their last day of availability. n. Crew scheduling will determine the start time for all short call windows. o. Crew scheduling will not assign reserves in international categories to Short Call unless they are eligible (considering RDO moves) for at least a four (4) day trp, unless no such reserves are available. p. Short Calls will be built with designated silos. If no reserves are available in the designated silos, crew scheduling may move up or down to the next silo. 3 q. Out of silo aggressive pickup of Short Calls is pennitted only with crew desk concurrence. r. Reserves can not be convei1ed to Short Call unless they have at least five (5) hours remaining toward the actual monthly flight limitations per section 5-B-2-a, unless no such reserves are available. s. After PBS awards the Company may offer lines consisting of a short call window on each work day. These pure short call lines will be awarded in seniority order only to those pilots who have requested one. 4. Rules for converting Long Call reserves to Sh0l1 Call a. If converted between 0000 and 1759 on an active reserve duty day, ten (10) hours notice is required prior to the stai1 of the Short Call window; b. If converted between 1800 and 2359 on an active reserve duty day, twelve (12) hours notice is required prior to the start of the Short Call window; c. Short call windows will become available for assignent at 1300, except, if the short call window is built after 1200 it will become available for assignent one (1) hour after it is built unless earlier assignent is required for legality. Short call windows become available for aggressive pickup four (4) hours prior to the time at which they are available for assignment. d. There is a limit of seven (7) Short Call assignents per month (except as provided in Paragraphs 31 and 3s above); this limit can be exceeded with pilot concurrence. e. If a reserve has reached four (4) conversions for the month, the crew desk wil bypass him and convert a pilot who is below him in FIFO if in the same silo. f. RDOs will not be moved to assign a pilot to Short CalL. However, a pilot on Short Call can have his RDOs moved for an international flying assignent per LOA 91-02 paragraph 3 - E-1. |
5. Rules for Last Dav Off prior to reserve days - for the purposes of this Letter, a day off
is any day other than a day "worked" (i.e., a work day includes: flight duty, reserve availability, training, special assignent, other flight duties for which compensation is paid) and a day the pilot is absent due to jury duty, ALP A duty or militar leave. a. Flying assignents and short call conversions will be assigned and entered in the pilot's calendar no earlier than 1300. Assignents and conversions made between 1300 and 1759 on the last day off prior to reserve days wil be placed in the pilot's calendar and the crew desk will attempt to notify the pilot by phone. The reserve must acknowledge this assignent between 1800 and 2359 via Unimatic RSVID/, 1-800-UAL-SKED or by calling the crew desk. b. The aggressive pickup rules of20-J-2-b will be applicable, except as provided below: i. If an open ID is scheduled to depart prior to 1300, and the aggressive pickup window would otherwise extend past 1800, the assignent can be made prior to 1800 in order to allow the ID to be assigned to a long call reserve on their last day off. 4 ii. The aggressive pickup window for domestic flying will open at twenty-eight (28) hours prior to departure or 1 100 the calendar day prior to departure, whichever is earlier. The Silo rules as described in section 20-J-2-c-( 4) apply. c. Flying assigmnents made after 1759 on a pilot's last day off prior to a reserve day will depart at or after 1300, unless pilot concurrence is received. Short Call conversions made after 1759 on a pilot's last day off prior to a reserve day will begin at or after 1200, unless pilot concurrence is received. d. The pilot must check his schedule and/or messages sometime between 1800 and 2359 on his last day off. He must acknowledge any assignment entered before 1800 by 2359 on his last day off. Any assignment that requires him to report before noon will be in his calendar by 1759. e. If converted between 1300 and 1759 on the last day off prior to a reserve day, ten (10) hours notice is required prior to the start of the Short Callwindow. 6. Miscellaneous a. The Company must assign trips in the assignent window as described in LOA 02-08. If the only legal reserve is currently on Short Call, they must cancel the Short Call and assign the trip during the assignent window. b. The Company cannot hold a trip open for an inbound reserve in the proper silo, but must assign the trip in the assignent window as described in LOA 02-08 if a legal reserve is currently available. The Company can wait for a reserve in the proper silo who is returning from days off (available at 1300). c. 8-L-6 issues: The Co.mpany cannot move a trip to another domicile under Section 8- L-6 if a legal Short Call is available in domicile and cannot move a trp to another domicile under Section 8-L-6 in order to save reserves for Short Call. d. If a Long Call reserve calls in sick after 1000, no sick leave wil be charged for that day. A minimum sick leave charge of one (1) day applies. 7. In the application of LOA 91-02 (International) paragraph 3-E Long Call and Short Call pilots will be treated as if they are on separate lists. If there is insuffcient notice to assign an international trip to a Long Call pilot, a Short Call pilot may have RDOs moved for the international flying assignent even though there are Long Call pilots available who would require no RDO disruption. The reverse situation is possible as welL. 8. The Voluntary Short Call Option (20-J-2-d) is eliminated. 5 This Supplemental Agreement shall become effective on the date of signing and shall remain in full force and effect and shall run concurrently with the basic Agreement. IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the parties have signed this Agreement this , ~ day of J) ~ c.evi 1o.l , 20~. (/ (Ilì,U -J'U ;../ ./- ì). - .t,!r1..lcJ ëZd;L~ Charles H. Vanderheiden Director of Labor Relations - Flight Witness: ¡i 01 ¿ /f/~.egjg;' ~io~ Witness: L-~ Tim Brown :::~~t? Negotiating Committee Vice-Chairman //;;-4aYr~ C/Jim Gunning ///1 Negotiating Corlttee 6 Additional information that is not clear or not included in the LOA: 1. Short Call (SC) reserves are expected to be readily available, same callout guidelines as existed for all reserves in the old system. 2. A Short Call reserve can be assigned a domestic trip with a duty period within the SC window, or he can have his rest reset and be assigned a trip with duty outside his SC window. Below are two examples of trips that may legally be assigned to SC reserves: Example 1: Reserve assigned 0200-1700 SC. Crew desk calls at 0800 to assign a 1200 departure. Since there is no time for a rest reset, his contractual duty day begins at report time, but his FAR duty day began at 0200. Pilot must be scheduled to be off duty by 1700, and must actually be off duty by 1800 to comply with Whitlow FAR. Example 2: Reserve assigned 0200-1700 SC. Crew desk calls at 0800 to assign a 1900 departure and reset the reserve’s rest period. Now the pilot’s contractual duty day and his Whitlow duty day both begin at report time. 3. International trips are NOT subject to the Whitlow FAR lookback rest rule. Therefore, unlike the examples above, a SC reserve who is assigned to fly an international trip IS NOT required to be scheduled off duty as described in Example 1 above. Example 3: Reserve assigned 0200-1700 SC. Crew desk calls at 1650 and assigns a 2230 international departure. This is legal, as there is no FAR requirement for a rest reset and no FAR requirement to be released from duty by 1700. As always, if the reserve feels he is too fatigued to safely complete the assignment, he should notify the crew desk of that fact as early as possible. 4. Once a pilot has been assigned or has picked up a trip or a SC window, he is under no obligation to be available to the Company until report time or the beginning of his SC window. 5. Short Call windows are available for aggressive pickup as soon as they are built, but not before 0900 the day prior. 6. Pilots coming off Military days, jury duty, ALPA days, and special assignment will be treated as if they are on an assignment that has a release from duty at 2359. Assignments can not be placed into the reserve’s calendar until after midnight and the pilot is NOT required to acknowledge assignments on those days. 7. As stated in paragraph 3h of the LOA, if an assignment is being made at least 13 hours prior to departure, it must be given to a reserve on Long Call (LC) if a legal LC reserve is available (and not needed for other known open flying). For international trips, this means that a legal LC reserve is subject to having his RDOs disrupted for an international trip even if there is a legal SC reserve who requires no RDO disruption. 8. Short Call assignments may be aggressively picked up as outlined in the LOA, but SCs that are aggressively picked up do not count towards the monthly limit of 7 described in paragraph 4d of the LOA or the monthly bypass limit of 4 described in paragraph 4e of the LOA. For pilots already familiar with LCSC: In addition to automated legality checking, there are several changes to unimatic. 1. The RSVA list will now display the number of Short Call conversions (assigned by the crew desk, not voluntarily picked up) a pilot has had in the month in a new “SC” column to the right of the name column. 2. Short Call IDs will no longer be displayed as Field Standby IDs (FSB). Instead, they will appear in PLTID as RSC1, RSC2, RSC3, and RSC4, depending on the silo desired. They will appear in OPNID open flying as RSC with the corresponding silo listed in the “Day” column. 3. Reserves can now pickup Short Call IDs using the RSVPUO command. The normal silo rules apply for automated pickups (e.g. a 4-day reserve can pickup a 4 day SC). Out of silo pickups still require crew desk concurrence and must be accomplished by the scheduler. 4. Reserves who are currently on SC can use unimatic to pickup any open domestic trips scheduled to depart at least 10 hours after the SC window is scheduled to end. With crew desk concurrence, the end time of the SC window may be modified to permit the reserve to pickup a trip that would otherwise be illegal due to having a report time within 10 hours of the end of SC. There is no minimum time between the scheduled end of the Short Call window and departure time for picking up international trips. We hope that you find the LCSC reserve system to be an improvement. The reserves who participated in the test of the system overwhelmingly preferred it to the old reserve system. However, it will take a couple of months to get used to the new rules and learn how to best make the new system work for your particular circumstances. Please direct any questions to [email protected] or ask the crew scheduler to connect you to the ALPA representative who is available to answer questions and address concerns during the rollout. |
When are bases and aircraft given out and how much consideration is taken to our bid? Before classes or?
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Originally Posted by burrito350
(Post 3413083)
When are bases and aircraft given out and how much consideration is taken to our bid? Before classes or?
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Holy thread revival Batman! 14 years must be close to a record of some sort.
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Originally Posted by mossimo
(Post 3413111)
Holy thread revival Batman! 14 years must be close to a record of some sort.
...and failing miserably |
Originally Posted by Fat Old Tired
(Post 3413113)
2008, back when I was chasing skirt in high school
...and failing miserably |
Originally Posted by Fat Old Tired
(Post 3413113)
2008, back when I was chasing skirt in high school
...and failing miserably |
Originally Posted by mossimo
(Post 3413111)
Holy thread revival Batman! 14 years must be close to a record of some sort.
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Originally Posted by burrito350
(Post 3413299)
Hahahhah I was thinking the same but I had to jump on it!
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Originally Posted by Andy
(Post 3413353)
A new thread would have been appropriate because those that read this thread from page one are getting some very old information that probably is no longer valid if they don't check the dates of posts. Until they reach Mossimo's post. FWIW.
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Originally Posted by burrito350
(Post 3413550)
Noted Sir.
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Out of curiosity how senior is the pure WB plug FO and CA at IAD vs EWR. I know FO has gone to new hires recently so it can’t be all that senior I assume.
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Originally Posted by merica1776
(Post 3416486)
Out of curiosity how senior is the pure WB plug FO and CA at IAD vs EWR. I know FO has gone to new hires recently so it can’t be all that senior I assume.
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Originally Posted by NotMrNiceGuy
(Post 3416601)
Just to tag on to this, what’s the total on the seniority list these days? APC is outdated.
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Originally Posted by togaflaps
(Post 3416636)
14700+. Something in that area. To answer the previous posters question on the 777 pretty much new hires can hold any base but IAH and they are there. Think like 14400 numbers or people still in training. 787 FO plugs are going to people in training in SFO, ORD, and EWR. The other bases change a bit to being like 7/8 months on property to 1.5ish years. Hope that helps.
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