Notices

UAL Training Question

Old 07-16-2010, 10:36 AM
  #21  
Keep Calm Chive ON
 
SoCalGuy's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: Boeing's Plastic Jet Button Pusher - 787
Posts: 2,086
Default

Originally Posted by Airhoss View Post
Now of course during a transition course where you are getting typed or requaled on an airframe there is an extensive SKV (systems, knowledge, evaluation.) And I am guessing you have the same when getting initial training on type.
Hoss.....
The only 'oral' exam that a pilot will see at CAL (Initial Type or otherwise) is a PC based 100 (or very close to that number) question multiple choice exam. As far as having an "old school" oral with a check pilot firing questions/scenarios live and in person is something that does not exist at CAL.

SC
SoCalGuy is offline  
Old 07-16-2010, 12:30 PM
  #22  
Need More Callouts
 
757Driver's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: Unbridled Enthusiasm
Posts: 2,143
Default

Originally Posted by Fritzthepilot View Post
With all due respect, why is there such a concern with the specific details of our training events?
With all due respect, it was just that, a question.

At CAL we do not get quizzed, per say, during our yearly sim checks. I've heard at UAL you get a pretty thorough grilling during yours. Just was trying to get the facts.
757Driver is offline  
Old 07-16-2010, 02:05 PM
  #23  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Fritzthepilot's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Posts: 230
Default

Originally Posted by 757Driver View Post
With all due respect, it was just that, a question.

At CAL we do not get quizzed, per say, during our yearly sim checks. I've heard at UAL you get a pretty thorough grilling during yours. Just was trying to get the facts.
I'm not try to hammer you, I just wonder why so many are concerned about minor details at each others schoolyard when I'm concerned whether or not I will be given the opportunity to strike. The only way we are going to kill this scope issue, improve work rules and pay is to strike or take it to the 11th hour.
Fritzthepilot is offline  
Old 07-16-2010, 03:19 PM
  #24  
Need More Callouts
 
757Driver's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: Unbridled Enthusiasm
Posts: 2,143
Default

Originally Posted by Fritzthepilot View Post
I'm not try to hammer you, I just wonder why so many are concerned about minor details at each others schoolyard when I'm concerned whether or not I will be given the opportunity to strike. The only way we are going to kill this scope issue, improve work rules and pay is to strike or take it to the 11th hour.
I completely agree but it is good to find out other things in advance. I've been longing for the chance to strike so we're in the same boat there.
757Driver is offline  
Old 07-16-2010, 03:49 PM
  #25  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Airhoss's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Sleeping in the black swan’s nest.
Posts: 5,708
Default

Originally Posted by SoCalGuy View Post
Hoss.....
The only 'oral' exam that a pilot will see at CAL (Initial Type or otherwise) is a PC based 100 (or very close to that number) question multiple choice exam. As far as having an "old school" oral with a check pilot firing questions/scenarios live and in person is something that does not exist at CAL.

SC
SC

Our SKV is a 100 question multiple choice test on a computer there is no longer an old style anything goes oral with an examiner. But there used to be.
Airhoss is offline  
Old 07-17-2010, 03:21 AM
  #26  
On Reserve
 
Joined APC: May 2010
Position: A320 F/O
Posts: 12
Default

Originally Posted by 757Driver View Post
With all due respect, it was just that, a question.

At CAL we do not get quizzed, per say, during our yearly sim checks. I've heard at UAL you get a pretty thorough grilling during yours. Just was trying to get the facts.
Hi Driver, They don't grill you at all... it is VERY basic stuff. In the oral they go over hot items, FOQA data, how to use the new "learning network," bla bla bla... there are a few very LOFT type questions, "what is your FAR fuel burn listed on flight plan based on, (altitude, wt)" "how do you know if you are in an over water aircraft," " if you aren't in an overwater aircraft how far overwater can you go," We have manuals in the oral with you and you may reference them to look up answers. They ask you a few "memory" items, what happens if you have tail torching (go to QRC, memory checklist (probably should know that it is on the QRC), complete the QRC using the actual checklist.. there are almost NO memory items any more.. "When do you balance fuel?" (we only do when we get an ecam on the bus (about 3,300 pounds diff)... yada yada... VERY VERY VERY VERY line oriented orals- no grilling, in my experience, at least... I am sure there was a day, back on the 727 era where they expected you to build the systems, but those days- from my experience- are gone.

Just my 2 cents
GEARBUBBA is offline  
Old 07-17-2010, 05:26 AM
  #27  
Need More Callouts
 
757Driver's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: Unbridled Enthusiasm
Posts: 2,143
Default

Thanks GB, thats exactly what I was asking about.
757Driver is offline  
Old 08-21-2010, 12:12 AM
  #28  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: 747 Captain, retired
Posts: 928
Default

Originally Posted by GEARBUBBA View Post
kru... are you a 570? or were you hired just after the strike? I can imagine that TK was "challenging" back in the day
Hmm, I guess you never sat in on a tri-motor crew getting a check ride from a Scab Check Airman. I came on the property almost one year after the strike ended. Got the letter to be a 570 but turned it down and waited until you would actually get a job if you passed the training. Strange times in those days and all I can say is that those 570 guys that stood firm, had a big set of you know what. My hat is off to those brave guys (and gals). Threats, some. The worst part of it all is that we did not get "half wings" out of training so we were forced to walk around as "slick ties" until we made it to an LEC meeting. Talk about not being welcomed...
krudawg is offline  
Old 08-21-2010, 07:21 PM
  #29  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Fritzthepilot's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Posts: 230
Default

Originally Posted by krudawg View Post
Hmm, I guess you never sat in on a tri-motor crew getting a check ride from a Scab Check Airman. I came on the property almost one year after the strike ended. Got the letter to be a 570 but turned it down and waited until you would actually get a job if you passed the training. Strange times in those days and all I can say is that those 570 guys that stood firm, had a big set of you know what. My hat is off to those brave guys (and gals). Threats, some. The worst part of it all is that we did not get "half wings" out of training so we were forced to walk around as "slick ties" until we made it to an LEC meeting. Talk about not being welcomed...
My question is ,why did the 570 take the offer in the first place? They had to know what they were getting into. Only after ALPA and Jamie got a hold of them did they find religion. Yeah yeah I know, this has nothing to do with CAL/UAL, just one of those questions lingering. When you fly with some of the 570, you will find they are not short of opinions. Good to fly with, just not short of opinions.
Fritzthepilot is offline  
Old 08-21-2010, 07:35 PM
  #30  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: 747 Captain, retired
Posts: 928
Default

Originally Posted by Fritzthepilot View Post
My question is ,why did the 570 take the offer in the first place? They had to know what they were getting into. Only after ALPA and Jamie got a hold of them did they find religion. Yeah yeah I know, this has nothing to do with CAL/UAL, just one of those questions lingering. When you fly with some of the 570, you will find they are not short of opinions. Good to fly with, just not short of opinions.
To be honest, the only reason why I didn't take the 570 offer was my chief pilot would not give me a LOA to take the training. I was flying small jets at the time and those jobs were hard to come by back then. Also, I really had no clue tha UAL was attempting to build a scab pool to take on ALPA. My letter to decline the 570 offer stated that I was declining their offer but if any plans changed to please let me know.
From what I understood, Jamie did a great job giving those 570 "religion"
krudawg is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Time2Fly
Corporate
38
08-11-2010 09:17 PM
HectorD
Flight Schools and Training
21
03-21-2010 07:52 PM
PEACH
Major
14
11-07-2009 08:20 AM
Purple Nugget
Cargo
3
11-30-2008 09:56 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Your Privacy Choices