Moak and the JCBA?
10-15-2010, 05:58 AM
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It all seems fairly straight forward as to how this will play out on that topic....
With his 'own' pilot group (DAL) close on our heals for negotiating their own CBA in the near future, It would appear more than logical that Moak would be nothing short of 'all-in' by showing strong "ALPA support" on the road to our JCBA. DAL Pilots (some) are already rattling their saber's with disappointment regarding ALPA and it's short falls. It no secret, some within the DAL pilot group are exploring other options outside of ALPA....maybe the DPA (http://www.delta-pilots.org/)?? If anything like that would happen, Lee Moak would obviously loose his new job at ALPA as the ground swell of our JCBA will certainly drag on into his new/upcoming tenure.....Textured waters with interesting twists.
Just my two cents....
With his 'own' pilot group (DAL) close on our heals for negotiating their own CBA in the near future, It would appear more than logical that Moak would be nothing short of 'all-in' by showing strong "ALPA support" on the road to our JCBA. DAL Pilots (some) are already rattling their saber's with disappointment regarding ALPA and it's short falls. It no secret, some within the DAL pilot group are exploring other options outside of ALPA....maybe the DPA (http://www.delta-pilots.org/)?? If anything like that would happen, Lee Moak would obviously loose his new job at ALPA as the ground swell of our JCBA will certainly drag on into his new/upcoming tenure.....Textured waters with interesting twists.
Just my two cents....
10-15-2010, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by kc135driver
More importantly, what effect will Moak, ie ALPA national, have on mediating between CAL and UAL MEC's in regard to a separate -400 pay rate?
Just say'in....
10-15-2010, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by SoCalGuy
Seeing that you are a UAL Furloughee, there's A LOT more important JCBA items in which to concern yourself with than worrying about the WB -400 'Banded' vs 'Un-banded' pay scale.
Just say'in....
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10-15-2010, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Shrek
TRUE statement
If the 400/777 pay banding issue is holding up the JCBA progress, then it is a primary concern for every pilot, especially those on furlough. Would we not want it resolved soon so we can return?
The real positions and concerns on BOTH sides are SLI issues, not the extra pay for the 400 guys. Yes, the 400 is a great aircraft, and I hope we can ALL have the opportunity to fly it. The sooner our MEC's can resolve this the better. There are still 1437 more recalls that need to happen.
Lets keep the SLI cat fight away from the JCBA. Relative seniority does not protect our jobs, scope does. JCBA = SCOPE.
Lets remove "Operated by ..." from all future United Airlines flights.
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10-15-2010, 09:10 AM
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Banding aircraft types together costs jobs. Most pilots are going to chase the money and progress to the highest paying airplane type throughout their career. The banding is advantageous to the company, not the pilots. Southwest has enjoyed a huge cost advantage since its inception by operating one aircraft type and never having pilots in transition training. The 747-400's may eventually go away, but they will be replaced by the 800 model or the A380. Now is the time to remove the concessions from the contract.
10-15-2010, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Coto Pilot
Banding aircraft types together costs jobs. Most pilots are going to chase the money and progress to the highest paying airplane type throughout their career. The banding is advantageous to the company, not the pilots. Southwest has enjoyed a huge cost advantage since its inception by operating one aircraft type and never having pilots in transition training. The 747-400's may eventually go away, but they will be replaced by the 800 model or the A380. Now is the time to remove the concessions from the contract.
10-15-2010, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
If banding is the root cause that your JCBA has slowed, then you have real issues, and they're not about what pays what.
Originally Posted by Coto Pilot
Banding aircraft types together costs jobs.
For those who refuse to acknowledge the elephant kick'in it in the corner on the couch, I'll be happy to point him out to you!! That particular issue in which you refer to DOES have everything to do with 'potential' SLI outcome....no smoke-n-mirrors there. I 100% support keeping SLI issues out of the JCBA road-work, but when one side feels as strong as the CAL JNC side does regarding the issue, I sure as heck expect them to stand up and fight it....just as each MEC will on ANY T/A.
Having Banded Pay on the -400 does NOT create less jobs, your explanation/reasoning.....well simply fails. If we are 'giving' $$ to the company by doing it in that fashion, have JNC powers to be inflate the WB Banded pay properly across the board to prevent such a problem of $$/hr short fall that you perceive??
WAS THERE SOMETHING about Lee Moak here??
10-15-2010, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by SoCalGuy
WAS THERE SOMETHING about Lee Moak here??
I for one sure hope we do don't have to wait until Moak's term starts next year to see this resolved and have an industry leading JCBA in hand.
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