New timeline?
 

So what can we expect now as far as a timeline for events?

I understand the original mediator is out and the new one in. Not sure if the new guy is a good or indifferent development.

It's been widely stated that the mediator will need to be brought "up to speed" before any progress is made and many suggest this could take weeks, possibly months but I guess the real question is in what time frame will real progress likely take place. Mid summer, next fall or is it just a guessing game?

After all, the AMR folks have been in mediation a darn long time...

Although a very true statement.....

Unlike "UniCal", AMR's BOD does NOT have to answer to it's share holder's as to why $1.4+Billion in promised "Economic Synergies" is NOT coming about any "sooner" following the Oct 1st (Economic) closing. This will be a 'hot topic' that UAL will have to "spin" to it's investors in the months/yr to come if they choose to go "AMR Deuxieme Partie".....AKA "AMR Part Two".

BTW....IMO.....18+ months till we have a MEC voted/approved T/A for the Joint Pilot Group to view/vote.

Great...

Where did I leave the Air BFE recruiter's card?

2 good things with the new mediator are

1) He has worked with UA pilots before on contract and was a pilot very little bringing up to speed

2) He is the guy that unexpectedly told Alaska management he was recommending releasing the pilots in a short time causing them to get a contract

30west

I agree when they go to the banks for financing soon(5 billion dollars+/-) and explain how the synergies are going to roll in after SOC, the banks then start checking what management said and find out we are miles apart on new contract. This will be a problem, the banks will say UAL management you have 2 choices if you want money, 1) finish the pilot contract 2) your not going to like the interest rate were going to charge you.

I have no idea on when we will get a new contract though.

30west

Spot on.

Players in the lending/banking world are in the business to mitigate future "Lending vs Risk". In this case, they will not be left to wonder as to what a SOC will look like when the 'full fruits' of promise cannot be delivered as sold by ways of inflated expectations referred to as "Synergies" in such a deal as the New UAL.....They (investors/lenders-banks) need to look no further than the present day merged USAirways as to where this will go without such a JCBA in place to make things matriculate as promised by way of 'future success'.

What NEEDS to be done on Mgt's behalf is pretty clear, and the options are NOT 'plenty' for them to play with.

Isn't Fedex opening up a hiring window?

I've just about had it with this place....

Interesting. Didn't know that.

Good post. Was aware of the first point but not the second.

Lee

Your second point is not accurate....In Dec of 08 the Alaska mec and nc sent out a 30 plus page document to explain why the companies "last, best offer" was completely off the mark and why they could easily afford the associations "last, best offer".....in april of 09, 78% of the pilots voted yes on a TA that was well below the companies last best offer of Dec 08......fact

Why did the MEC approve a TA they themselves had said was inadequate just four months prior?

Aren't facts and questions like that so inconvenient to mention when trying to make an argument?

Have to watch that here. Remember any new JCBA TA must first pass two INDEPENDENT MECs before being sent to our combined pilot group. I strongly believe our combined group is unified on what we want to see, esp. in regards to career protections, etc. However, I also believe that if a JCBA TA gets by the two independent MECs with something unacceptable to the line pilots, it will have a greater chance of being ratified.

That is not quite correct. The company can ask for the membership to vote on a proposed contract even if it is not endorsed by the MEC(s). I hope you are correct on the second point; however, the current CAL MEC's response to the 70 seat fiasco leaves me wondering. Point three is well taken as we have seen in an earlier thread, some pilots will just do as their MEC recommends regardless of how bad the contract may be.