Outsider

I'm just curious, being a UA guy, how is Time in Service (as it relates to pass travel) computed? I have my assumptions of course but I just wanted to make sure.

cadetdrivr

The current UA system uses first DOH ever at UAL. Thus we have pilots that worked the ramp in college, quit, and returned as pilots 10 years later that travel on their original UA employment DOH.

The new 2012 pass travel system? No specifics yet.

EWRflyr

Something tells me it will go to what CAL does. They adjust the travel date literally for time in service. Furloughed? They look at how long you were furloughed and adjust your date accordingly from when you were hired. Say that was January 1, 2008 and you were furloughed for two years on January 1, 2009. When you returned on January 1, 2011, you have one year of time in service so your new travel date would be January 1, 2010.

The college kid from the above example would not keep the absent 10 years credit as time with the company for travel. They would look at his hire date and the date he left. Calculate that total time and back date his NEW hire date with his previous time with the company as credit. I think I'd be ticked as an employee if I was hired one day after that college student and had stayed with the company continuously while he was gone for 10 years. Then he comes back and gets his original hire date and could bump me? Yes, that is probably an extreme example you are using, though.

I'm guessing that is what they mean by time in service. Certain things are exempt I believe such as COLAs (in lieu of furlough) and MIL service.

APC225

This will definitely be part of the SLI discussion when it goes to arbitration. Which method is used will play a huge part in integration, especially for the bottom third.

cadetdrivr

It is, and I only used it since it very clearly demonstrates the current methodology.

Also the current UA pilot furlough side letter also specifically states that furloughed pilots (voluntary and involuntary) will be treated as active employees for pass travel purposes so the time in service equation may be different for pilots than for other employee groups when the dust settles.

pilotgolfer

How were the Continental Express pilots handled when they went to CAL? Were they given longevity dates that matched their DOH at CAL or was it based on Express?

iahflyr

Does UAL count time on mil duty when a pilot is doing no flying for the company as time in service?

intrepidcv11

A fun question and over course unnecessarily complicated. Once the flow through was established if you were hired at Express you carried your Express DOH for pass travel. If you were hired at Bar Harbor/Rocky/Brit in 1974 then that's your DOH for pass travel if you flowed through. When off the street hiring started they allowed one to keep COEX DOH for pass travel as well.

Sometime in 2007 CAL decided to terminate that perk so those Ex-Express hires after then have a 2007/08 pass travel date. There are some more tweaks to this issue that I'm sure somebody else can fill in. It's a prime example of the company finding a simple way to divide groups so we can yell at each other instead of the company.

I fully expect the whole Express DOH to get torpedoed as a result of this merger. There are plenty off the street hires that think it's BS to carry anything over from time spent at a commuter. It will spank me a bit, but I'm not an optimist when it comes to Unical keeping previous promises.

Texandrvr

Federal law requires that the company treats time on mil leave the same as if the individual was continuously employed for purposes of seniority rights, status, and pay...

ualheavy

If you were a CAL pilot that went to COEX on flowback (post 9/11) in service to the company, then you accrued pass longivity. Those that were straight furloughed or chose furlough instead of flowback, then pass travel was adjusted like the example above.

I guess it all depends on CAL's definition of "in service to the company" or as I say "hauling the mail."