Wendy Morse Could Be Ousted Monday
04-08-2011, 07:25 PM
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Wendy Morse Could Be Ousted Monday
United Airlines pilot union chief faces recall vote - chicagotribune.com
The chairwoman of United Airlines' pilots union could be ousted Monday in a dispute over the pace and tone of contract negotiations with the carrier's management, sources told the Tribune.
Captain Wendy Morse, the first woman to head a major U.S. pilots union, faces a recall vote as United's Air Line Pilots Association leaders gather for a quarterly meeting in Chicago on Monday. Morse, through a spokesman, declined to comment.
A defeat of Morse could signal the start of labor strife that new United CEO Jeff Smisek has sought to avoid as he melds recently merged Continental Airlines and United into the world's largest carrier and negotiates contracts with every employee group, analysts said.
"I don't see anything good coming out of this, if the idea is to get a joint collective bargaining agreement out in as short a period as possible," said William Swelbar, labor expert and research engineer with the MIT International Center for Air Transportation. "Recalling your master chairperson in the middle of negotiations is never good for continuity."
The mayhem is unusual even for the cutthroat world of airline pilot politics, sources said. Morse survived a recall vote before she took office at the start of 2010. And the leaders of the union's Washington, D.C., pilots' council also face a recall vote on April 22 for aiding the effort to dump Morse.
The chairwoman of United Airlines' pilots union could be ousted Monday in a dispute over the pace and tone of contract negotiations with the carrier's management, sources told the Tribune.
Captain Wendy Morse, the first woman to head a major U.S. pilots union, faces a recall vote as United's Air Line Pilots Association leaders gather for a quarterly meeting in Chicago on Monday. Morse, through a spokesman, declined to comment.
A defeat of Morse could signal the start of labor strife that new United CEO Jeff Smisek has sought to avoid as he melds recently merged Continental Airlines and United into the world's largest carrier and negotiates contracts with every employee group, analysts said.
"I don't see anything good coming out of this, if the idea is to get a joint collective bargaining agreement out in as short a period as possible," said William Swelbar, labor expert and research engineer with the MIT International Center for Air Transportation. "Recalling your master chairperson in the middle of negotiations is never good for continuity."
The mayhem is unusual even for the cutthroat world of airline pilot politics, sources said. Morse survived a recall vote before she took office at the start of 2010. And the leaders of the union's Washington, D.C., pilots' council also face a recall vote on April 22 for aiding the effort to dump Morse.
04-09-2011, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by A320
United Airlines pilot union chief faces recall vote - chicagotribune.com
The chairwoman of United Airlines' pilots union could be ousted Monday in a dispute over the pace and tone of contract negotiations with the carrier's management, sources told the Tribune.
Captain Wendy Morse, the first woman to head a major U.S. pilots union, faces a recall vote as United's Air Line Pilots Association leaders gather for a quarterly meeting in Chicago on Monday. Morse, through a spokesman, declined to comment.
A defeat of Morse could signal the start of labor strife that new United CEO Jeff Smisek has sought to avoid as he melds recently merged Continental Airlines and United into the world's largest carrier and negotiates contracts with every employee group, analysts said.
"I don't see anything good coming out of this, if the idea is to get a joint collective bargaining agreement out in as short a period as possible," said William Swelbar, labor expert and research engineer with the MIT International Center for Air Transportation. "Recalling your master chairperson in the middle of negotiations is never good for continuity."
The mayhem is unusual even for the cutthroat world of airline pilot politics, sources said. Morse survived a recall vote before she took office at the start of 2010. And the leaders of the union's Washington, D.C., pilots' council also face a recall vote on April 22 for aiding the effort to dump Morse.
The chairwoman of United Airlines' pilots union could be ousted Monday in a dispute over the pace and tone of contract negotiations with the carrier's management, sources told the Tribune.
Captain Wendy Morse, the first woman to head a major U.S. pilots union, faces a recall vote as United's Air Line Pilots Association leaders gather for a quarterly meeting in Chicago on Monday. Morse, through a spokesman, declined to comment.
A defeat of Morse could signal the start of labor strife that new United CEO Jeff Smisek has sought to avoid as he melds recently merged Continental Airlines and United into the world's largest carrier and negotiates contracts with every employee group, analysts said.
"I don't see anything good coming out of this, if the idea is to get a joint collective bargaining agreement out in as short a period as possible," said William Swelbar, labor expert and research engineer with the MIT International Center for Air Transportation. "Recalling your master chairperson in the middle of negotiations is never good for continuity."
The mayhem is unusual even for the cutthroat world of airline pilot politics, sources said. Morse survived a recall vote before she took office at the start of 2010. And the leaders of the union's Washington, D.C., pilots' council also face a recall vote on April 22 for aiding the effort to dump Morse.
First they recall their Negotiating Committee and replace them with people with no negotiating experience ... then surprise surprise ... when they don't get a contract when they want one ... they blame it on the MEC Chairman. What next? Replace an experienced MEC Chairman with one with no experience? Or worse yet; one that did nothing but preside over Wrist Bands, Hats Off, and an injunction? That sounds about par for half the idiots on the UAL-MEC.
If they replace the current MEC with the imbecile that presided over the MEC when the injunction was imposed, I'm turning in my ALPA wings in disgust! We’ll never get the contract we deserve with idiotic antics like this. God Help us all!
I hope the CAL guys take notice of how NOT to do things! Plebian politics is nothing more than uninformed juveniles acting on emotion and not taking responsibility for their own mistakes!
04-09-2011, 07:26 AM
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"If they replace the current MEC with the imbecile that presided over the MEC when the injunction was imposed, I'm turning in my ALPA wings in disgust! We’ll never get the contract we deserve with idiotic antics like this. God Help us all!"
However, don't make the CAL guys any models of behavior. Their EWR council leaders are the one(s) who lobbed publicly the bombs about banding and threatening the UAL guys with stonewalling the contract negotiations to get what they want.
The number one mistake both the UAL and CAL MECs made was to not to agree together to not fly any routes, domiciles or airplanes until a joint contract and integration was complete. So can anyone blame a management who takes advantage of the split by flying UAL airplanes and crews out of EWR, domicile a CAL airplane in a UAL domicile which had the same airplane, fly UAL airplanes out of IAH on new routes and more...
Gentlemen and Ladies of the two MECS, you messed up by fighting at the beginning.
But, back to the original statement. When I heard this rumor I felt the same, drop out of ALPA! Start my own union! Personally I'm tired of all this (yes I have served in ALPA positions so don't lecture me about getting involved) and I will not support Wallach or any of his cronies. Period!
Rumor also has it that DAL pilot pay scale is still on the Table? If this is true don't make the same mistake we made in 1985, when the UAL MEC rejected the AMR contract because it had a two tiered (b scale) which we ended up with any way after a bitter strike.
Get on with it, the contract and the integration!
However, don't make the CAL guys any models of behavior. Their EWR council leaders are the one(s) who lobbed publicly the bombs about banding and threatening the UAL guys with stonewalling the contract negotiations to get what they want.
The number one mistake both the UAL and CAL MECs made was to not to agree together to not fly any routes, domiciles or airplanes until a joint contract and integration was complete. So can anyone blame a management who takes advantage of the split by flying UAL airplanes and crews out of EWR, domicile a CAL airplane in a UAL domicile which had the same airplane, fly UAL airplanes out of IAH on new routes and more...
Gentlemen and Ladies of the two MECS, you messed up by fighting at the beginning.
But, back to the original statement. When I heard this rumor I felt the same, drop out of ALPA! Start my own union! Personally I'm tired of all this (yes I have served in ALPA positions so don't lecture me about getting involved) and I will not support Wallach or any of his cronies. Period!
Rumor also has it that DAL pilot pay scale is still on the Table? If this is true don't make the same mistake we made in 1985, when the UAL MEC rejected the AMR contract because it had a two tiered (b scale) which we ended up with any way after a bitter strike.
Get on with it, the contract and the integration!
04-09-2011, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Coach67
If those idiots recall the MEC Chairman in the middle of contract negotiations, I hope the DC pilots are p!$$ed enough to recall the DC Reps as well!
I hope the CAL guys take notice of how NOT to do things! Plebian politics is nothing more than uninformed juveniles acting on emotion and not taking responsibility for their own mistakes!
I hope the CAL guys take notice of how NOT to do things! Plebian politics is nothing more than uninformed juveniles acting on emotion and not taking responsibility for their own mistakes!
If change is made, I hope it's done quickly/seamlessly as possible. I'm sure Mgt is enjoying it from the sidelines.....Good luck to you guys.
04-09-2011, 07:53 AM
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We truly are our own worse enemy. If anybody really thinks we will magically get a contract just because we swap out MC you are delusional.
Maybe sooner or later our union can stop dic!ing around with ourselves and actually represent their members before management, the real adversaries. Oh wait, why don't we reopen the pay-band issue and all/any of the other special interest items the new NC might have.
Just imagine what the mediator is thinking right now.
I am utterly disgusted by our union-
KC
Maybe sooner or later our union can stop dic!ing around with ourselves and actually represent their members before management, the real adversaries. Oh wait, why don't we reopen the pay-band issue and all/any of the other special interest items the new NC might have.
Just imagine what the mediator is thinking right now.
I am utterly disgusted by our union-
KC
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