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Originally Posted by iahflyr
(Post 993649)
The "old" United pilots forgot this in 2000. Now look what happened. Perhaps you forgot 9/11, SARS, Swine Flu, Bird Flu, Recession, NASDAQ collapse, etc. etc. Management got a few months of pressure from us in 2000 because they promised us an on-top, on-time contract and they didn't deliver. Much as our present management is failing to deliver what they promised. All it takes is a some HORRENDOUS weather, WAYYYY too much air traffic, a management hell bent on squeezing absolutely MAXIMUM utilization from the operation with NO contingency plan for the normal, every day problems that crop up, and you have the Summer of 2000. |
Originally Posted by SoCalGuy
(Post 993695)
Just curious.....
Now that we have been well under way for several months following the Oct 1st financial closing (with the NMB currently in tow), what happens "IF" both parties (JNC v MGT) hit the wall, and through proper channels this pilot group(s) is (are) released to "self help" in the future?? In the wake of your above statements....Are you going to choose to not 'texture the water' upon fears of 'upsetting' our customers.....Or are you willing to hold the line against MGT along with your fellow pilots during such a time that 'self help' is approved by the appropriate powers.....What's your poison?? With a broad-brush.......Happy Front Line Employees = Happy "Traveling Public"/Customers. (Disclaimer: With respect to the OP's attached story, much respect.) |
Originally Posted by Airhoss
(Post 993857)
And of course at time we had Goodwin at the helm. He wasn't what could be considered one of the sharper tools in the shed.
iahflyr, You are making some pretty huge assumptions based on scant information and management propaganda. I was there and it didn't play out quite like you are portraying it. You then make the comment "Now look what happened" I say yes lets look what happened. 9-11, SARS, the great recession, and the largest string of economic disasters to ever hit the airline industry. Which put multiple airlines into chapter 11. But somehow through all of this you can still find in your mind that we the pilots were somehow responsible for it all? You need to educate yourself before mouthing off like that. You sound like a poster boy for management. Oopsy. Sorry Airhoss... didn't see this before I posted. |
Originally Posted by oldmako
(Post 993862)
While in theory I might agree with some of this, coming from you I just dismiss it as more anti labor, pro management blather.
Here's a little reminder of how much this company cares about YOU and the other little worker bees who actually provide the product. 2010 Executive Compensation- Glenn Tilton $16,844,026 John Tague $11,728,990 Kathryn Mikells $9,400,143 Graham Atkinson $6,922,079 Jeff Smisek $4,359,766 Pete McDonald $3,901,478 James Compton $2,540,725 Irene Foxhall $1,938,362 Here is another comparison, lifeguards in Orange County Ca 200,000+ You guys are so underpaid for what you do and compared to the average skilled government employee it is eye watering. LAPD cop 5 years seniority $85,000. The story of how you were duped into your current salaries is really not relevant now, it will be how you recover. The ATC controllers recovered and you will also, just as soon as the pilots have suffered enough and recognize it will take some sort of civil disobedience for a solution. This guy who thinks the customer comes first is not going to help much during the Strike of 2013 (after the election, Obama's NMB will release you). The customers have no loyalty to an Airline. They will buy the cheapest ticket, one example was how quickly they came back in "85" for the post strike discount tickets. They never missed a beat after saying, they would NEVER FLY UNITED AGAIN...BS. Management knows, no matter how badly they treat the customer, about $3 will fix it, the cattle in the back is only a commodity to them. Sorry I will miss the next rodeo, but I am getting close to the age where I can legally smoke pot and get away with groping a few hotties in the home, just like it use to be in High School. |
Originally Posted by gettinbumped
(Post 994107)
Oopsy. Sorry Airhoss... didn't see this before I posted.
The more this message is rubbed into iah's face the better. I can't even believe this guy is really a pilot. I'm thinking management shill or groupie is more likely. |
Originally Posted by Airhoss
(Post 994254)
NO worries bro.
The more this message is rubbed into iah's face the better. I can't even believe this guy is really a pilot. I'm thinking management shill or groupie is more likely. The funny part is these guys truly believe that they are operating on a higher cognizant plane (pun intended) than the 99% of us that "get it". Weird folks. |
Originally Posted by oldmako
(Post 993862)
Glenn Tilton $16,844,026 John Tague $11,728,990 Kathryn Mikells $9,400,143 Graham Atkinson $6,922,079 Jeff Smisek $4,359,766 Pete McDonald $3,901,478 James Compton $2,540,725 Irene Foxhall $1,938,362 Average 12th year Airbus Reserve F/O ... $78,000 With PBS they used to schedule everything to 1 hour of legality. Very dumb thing to do as things never go according to plan, weather or ATC delays meant the crew desk always were trying to put out fires somewhere in the system. |
Originally Posted by fireman0174
(Post 993840)
I remember quite well the company being advised to not expect "extra help" due to their planning an overly aggressive summer schedule, especially considering the mood of the pilot group. And I do recall the SSC advising them, just as you have stated above, several times. As you say, not a threat, just a real world assessment which the company, with their usual great lack of wisdom, choose to ignore.
Its very easy to put the blame on the pilots, which management loves to do, but they needed to look inward for the root cause. In 2000, I just sat back and watched it play out. Heck, had a pure line (same trip 4 times with same Capt....ah the good old days) with the first leg of the ID from ONT to ORD leaving at around 1500L. ALL 4 trips began with 3 to 4 hour EDCTs that didn't move. Not to mention, the day was already an IROP abortion. Canx flights all over the place, re-sched's, misconnects, you name it. Another warning they failed to heed was the summer prior to the first round recalls. They were cautioned about the manning issue. Line and reserves maxing out a week prior to the end of the month, etc. Took them 3 months to finally realize the need to recall after huge cancellation numbers in June and July. Of course, gotta start the recall process, restaff TK, etc........ And they get bonuses for this type of performance! Frats, Lee |
Okay I understand that we were undermanned and yes I do know the company was warned more than a few times. All that being said thats all you saw during the summer of 2000? Okay, sure.
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Man, I just thought I was posting a good on ya story. Didn't think it would start an "Any Latest and Greatest at Delta" length thread.:)
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