Junior Manning Winners
06-27-2011, 12:25 PM
#21
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Joined APC: Jun 2011
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Hey PIPE I'm right there with you. I agree with you. Things must get better. When I was hired by CAL in the late 90's things were great. Guys on reserve were having to pick up trips on the 73 to keep from going lost Q. Schudling was pleasent to deal with, and we always were above minimum reserve coverage. Come 9/11/01 and that all changed. Our 97 contract was completely re-interpreted by mgt. Things got bad quick. I choose to be a junior CA so I can put up a fight. I don't fly sick, fatigued etc. etc. etc. I'm in the fight PIPE. I could be on the 777 getting 19 days off a month (weekends/holidays) wondering why all the junior guys are *****ing. I still like being an Airline Pilot, and I'm trying to get it back.... Thanks for correcting my reserve movable days off. It's four.
06-28-2011, 01:52 PM
#22
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 3,866
Subject:
Voluntary Junior Manning Opportunity
To:
B737 Captains and First Officers
We are offering Voluntary Junior Manning on the B737.
If you are a
B737 Captain or First Officer in IAH, EWR, CLE or LAX that does a straight
pickup of a full trip pairing from open time that originates on
June 30, 2011 through July 4,
2011,
that pickup will be treated as a “voluntary junior manning” (VJM) event and you will
be paid a minimum of 4:30/day or flight time flown, whichever is greater, at
150% of your
normal hourly rate
Voluntary Junior Manning Opportunity
To:
B737 Captains and First Officers
We are offering Voluntary Junior Manning on the B737.
If you are a
B737 Captain or First Officer in IAH, EWR, CLE or LAX that does a straight
pickup of a full trip pairing from open time that originates on
June 30, 2011 through July 4,
2011,
that pickup will be treated as a “voluntary junior manning” (VJM) event and you will
be paid a minimum of 4:30/day or flight time flown, whichever is greater, at
150% of your
normal hourly rate
06-28-2011, 02:17 PM
#23
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 274
Originally Posted by APC225
Subject:
Taking blood money and getting in bed with management Opportunity
To:
B737 ********
you can have blah blah blah!.......
Taking blood money and getting in bed with management Opportunity
To:
B737 ********
you can have blah blah blah!.......
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06-28-2011, 06:00 PM
#24
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: Chief Pilot G550
Posts: 63
Originally Posted by pipe
I'm not a UAL guy - just someone who is sick and tired of "the bar" constantly being lowered.
I have left a major in the past, by choice, based on my analysis of the situation and outlook and started over at another. The reason? Those places did not meet my personal mins for many reasons. Starting over is a bitter pill, but the cure is usually better than the disease. I sleep well at night knowing that I walked - being accountable to yourself and knowing your worth is invaluable.
Look to your UA bros for how to stand up. They have been neutered by their injunction, but the 2000 "Summer of Love" is about the only example of a successful job action at a major since Northwest struck in the mid to late 90's. It is time for action. If you guys continue eating the **** sandwich - that's all that is going to be on the menu for yourselves -- and eventually for the rest of us.
Remember - in this industry a falling tide grounds all ships.
PIPE
BTW - That crap about all of the hiring, upgrade times, etc. has been fed to every new hire at every airline since Orville and Wilbur. (Ask any US Air, TWA, United, CAL, etc. new-hire) I've heard it three times myself - false every time.
I have left a major in the past, by choice, based on my analysis of the situation and outlook and started over at another. The reason? Those places did not meet my personal mins for many reasons. Starting over is a bitter pill, but the cure is usually better than the disease. I sleep well at night knowing that I walked - being accountable to yourself and knowing your worth is invaluable.
Look to your UA bros for how to stand up. They have been neutered by their injunction, but the 2000 "Summer of Love" is about the only example of a successful job action at a major since Northwest struck in the mid to late 90's. It is time for action. If you guys continue eating the **** sandwich - that's all that is going to be on the menu for yourselves -- and eventually for the rest of us.
Remember - in this industry a falling tide grounds all ships.
PIPE
BTW - That crap about all of the hiring, upgrade times, etc. has been fed to every new hire at every airline since Orville and Wilbur. (Ask any US Air, TWA, United, CAL, etc. new-hire) I've heard it three times myself - false every time.
+1! When are the majority of you guys ever going to learn that the suits in control will always outplay you??? I ran from this joke of an industry (UAL Mainline)7 years ago and am still flabberghasted that pilots try argue that they have a say in their collective futures!!! What will it take to prove to these groups that you are a number to be reduced. Its really very simple. Show me a recent job action that has thwarted what these companies throw at these labor groups!? Do you really think that a day of reckoning is upon the industry? From airline pilots? Yea right...Management knows it, the splintered ALPA groups know it. And so far the jr guys from al groups know it exceedingly well, for a few groups too well (UAL X2). Until you guys truly unite and/or strike..then the band plays on.with the bar going lower and lower and lower...Even if you strike..those days are all gone.. Doom and gloom? maybe..reality..definitely.
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06-28-2011, 08:00 PM
#25
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Posts: 73
Originally Posted by topgun
+1! When are the majority of you guys ever going to learn that the suits in control will always outplay you??? I ran from this joke of an industry (UAL Mainline)7 years ago and am still flabberghasted that pilots try argue that they have a say in their collective futures!!! What will it take to prove to these groups that you are a number to be reduced. Its really very simple. Show me a recent job action that has thwarted what these companies throw at these labor groups!? Do you really think that a day of reckoning is upon the industry? From airline pilots? Yea right...Management knows it, the splintered ALPA groups know it. And so far the jr guys from al groups know it exceedingly well, for a few groups too well (UAL X2). Until you guys truly unite and/or strike..then the band plays on.with the bar going lower and lower and lower...Even if you strike..those days are all gone.. Doom and gloom? maybe..reality..definitely.
06-29-2011, 09:12 AM
#26
Gets Rolled on the Reg.
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 274
While your point is well taken MX (is that maint. or moto?), and I'm not directing this at you, there is something refreshing about
topgun's call for us to pull our collective heads out of our buns. His quote
"Until you guys truly unite and/or strike..then the band plays on.with the bar going lower and lower and lower" couldn't agree with more.
The counter is that a mgmt. team who has already rewarded itself with millions in bonuses and public low-ball offers,
is going to willingly return us to our pre-bankruptcy living. Not happening without force. These guys are all about themselves.
It's time we start being about OUR profession. Mgmt. certainly is about theirs. Nobody will do it for us.
His belief that it will never happen is simply a reflection of how well we've been worked by mgmt.,
and not defended by ALPA, not to mention voting yes on weak ALPA proposals.
There's blame to go around everywhere. Let's stop the blame on us, now, by getting a backbone and fighting back.
And back to the topic of the thread, that starts with not bailing mgmt. out with understaffing through picking up/junior manning.
Don't fly sick, don't rush, don't do anything but be extremely safe and professional. Know preaching to the choir, but time we DO, not talk.
topgun's call for us to pull our collective heads out of our buns. His quote
"Until you guys truly unite and/or strike..then the band plays on.with the bar going lower and lower and lower" couldn't agree with more.
The counter is that a mgmt. team who has already rewarded itself with millions in bonuses and public low-ball offers,
is going to willingly return us to our pre-bankruptcy living. Not happening without force. These guys are all about themselves.
It's time we start being about OUR profession. Mgmt. certainly is about theirs. Nobody will do it for us.
His belief that it will never happen is simply a reflection of how well we've been worked by mgmt.,
and not defended by ALPA, not to mention voting yes on weak ALPA proposals.
There's blame to go around everywhere. Let's stop the blame on us, now, by getting a backbone and fighting back.
And back to the topic of the thread, that starts with not bailing mgmt. out with understaffing through picking up/junior manning.
Don't fly sick, don't rush, don't do anything but be extremely safe and professional. Know preaching to the choir, but time we DO, not talk.
06-29-2011, 10:32 AM
#27
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Joined APC: Sep 2009
Posts: 645
Every pilot at United/Continental has to begin acting as if a strike is inevitable. Only when the company realizes that the pilots are serious will they begin to negotiate in good faith. ALPA should follow the letter of the law to reach an impasse as soon as is legally possible. If a strike is averted that's great, but every pilot has to act as if it is inevitable.
06-29-2011, 10:40 AM
#28
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Joined APC: Jun 2011
Posts: 73
Originally Posted by 1257
While your point is well taken MX (is that maint. or moto?), and I'm not directing this at you, there is something refreshing about
topgun's call for us to pull our collective heads out of our buns. His quote
"Until you guys truly unite and/or strike..then the band plays on.with the bar going lower and lower and lower" couldn't agree with more.
The counter is that a mgmt. team who has already rewarded itself with millions in bonuses and public low-ball offers,
is going to willingly return us to our pre-bankruptcy living. Not happening without force. These guys are all about themselves.
It's time we start being about OUR profession. Mgmt. certainly is about theirs. Nobody will do it for us.
His belief that it will never happen is simply a reflection of how well we've been worked by mgmt.,
and not defended by ALPA, not to mention voting yes on weak ALPA proposals.
There's blame to go around everywhere. Let's stop the blame on us, now, by getting a backbone and fighting back.
And back to the topic of the thread, that starts with not bailing mgmt. out with understaffing through picking up/junior manning.
Don't fly sick, don't rush, don't do anything but be extremely safe and professional. Know preaching to the choir, but time we DO, not talk.
topgun's call for us to pull our collective heads out of our buns. His quote
"Until you guys truly unite and/or strike..then the band plays on.with the bar going lower and lower and lower" couldn't agree with more.
The counter is that a mgmt. team who has already rewarded itself with millions in bonuses and public low-ball offers,
is going to willingly return us to our pre-bankruptcy living. Not happening without force. These guys are all about themselves.
It's time we start being about OUR profession. Mgmt. certainly is about theirs. Nobody will do it for us.
His belief that it will never happen is simply a reflection of how well we've been worked by mgmt.,
and not defended by ALPA, not to mention voting yes on weak ALPA proposals.
There's blame to go around everywhere. Let's stop the blame on us, now, by getting a backbone and fighting back.
And back to the topic of the thread, that starts with not bailing mgmt. out with understaffing through picking up/junior manning.
Don't fly sick, don't rush, don't do anything but be extremely safe and professional. Know preaching to the choir, but time we DO, not talk.
06-29-2011, 10:49 AM
#29
New Hire
Joined APC: Sep 2010
Position: B737
Posts: 7
If you are a
B737 Captain or First Officer in IAH, EWR, CLE or LAX that does a straight
pickup of a full trip pairing from open time that originates on
June 30, 2011 through July 4,
2011,
that pickup will be treated as a “voluntary junior manning” (VJM) event and you will
be paid a minimum of 4:30/day or flight time flown, whichever is greater, at
150% of your
normal hourly rate.
Cant wait to see the "open time heroes" save the company yet again...pathetic.
normal hourly rate.
Cant wait to see the "open time heroes" save the company yet again...pathetic.
06-29-2011, 11:33 AM
#30
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Thread Starter
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 274
Originally Posted by Coto Pilot
Every pilot at United/Continental has to begin acting as if a strike is inevitable. Only when the company realizes that the pilots are serious will they begin to negotiate in good faith. ALPA should follow the letter of the law to reach an impasse as soon as is legally possible. If a strike is averted that's great, but every pilot has to act as if it is inevitable.
Originally Posted by MXDUDE
The reality is we're not to far off, and I don't think it's all doom and gloom.
Pilots have historically undershot and underprepared to go to battle with management.
How many guys are fully strike funded for six months? I'm liquid for a year.
We need to go in like it will be the worst case, and if it's not and is better
than doom and gloom, then great. But we shouldn't start with that lighter presumption,
even if the odds favor it, because people then can't afford the odds failing.
(strike breaking by mgmt. or shutting the airline down)
Last edited by 1257; 06-29-2011 at 12:11 PM.
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