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Old 07-27-2011, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29 View Post
Management sure seems to have a hard time realizing pilots get sick. We can't chug DayQuil & come to work. Plus, when companies already fly their reserves to the max in normal ops what do they think will happen when the poo-poo hits the fan?
+1. Reserves are meant for when things go bad. That's why they're called "reserves." When the company flies them like line holders, then there is nothing left when things go bad.
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Old 07-27-2011, 03:51 PM
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This reminds me of summer of 2000 when there were allegations of an organized job action. It was BS then, just like it's BS today. Pilots aren't doing anything except making the individual decision to fly their contract, and the system is imploding around the edges due to inadequate staffing models. When the contract includes language like "voluntary" and "at the pilot's option" it doesn't take a labor union for individual pilots to determine what goodwill looks like.
You are absolutely correct. As one that worked for the SSC both during "summer of love" and then the operational meltdown prior to UAL recall (another summer), the company was advised (not as a threat and at least 6 months prior) on numerous occasions that their "plan" was flawed based on the number of pilots on property. They were making assumptions that REQUIRED pilot goodwill outside the requirements of the contract (and well outside historical averages) to work. Both times were not conducive to most pilots feeling any type of goodwill whatsoever.

As to pilots calling in sick, they're sick. The company's lack of adequate manning caused the cancellations and is not ALPA's fault. Pilots are mandated not to fly if they are in anyway incapacitated to the extent they cannot fly safely. As we all know, that mandate comes from the FAR's.

Perhaps it's time for ALPA to start throwing out some numbers regarding manning vice block hour, etc. Might find some type of correlation to the cause of the issue and elevate the fact that fatigue is a safety issue as well as a precursor to being more susceptible to illness through a reduced immune system function.

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Old 07-27-2011, 03:59 PM
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+1. Reserves are meant for when things go bad. That's why they're called "reserves." When the company flies them like line holders, then there is nothing left when things go bad.
Back in the summer before the first recalls were started, reserves at UAL were maxing out well before the end of the month.....

For some reason, the company couldn't correlate that fact with the fact they didn't have enough pilots. This is in the days of 10 days off a month and movable RDO's, etc.

It takes them a number of months to usually see that fact. Of course, there are huge CANX numbers generated for a few months, lost revenue, pax payments, etc......

And, of course, they were advised well prior to the event happening by their counterparts at ALPA.

As to this issue regarding SL, I'd say a little deflection for their flawed plan, a little negotiating in public, and trying to put the pilots into the spotlight as the problem. Sounds somewhat in violation of that "negotiate in good faith" requirement under the RLA.......but what do I know?

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Old 07-27-2011, 04:06 PM
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COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. -- Approximately 240 cadets at the Air Force Academy have been sickened by a stomach virus, academy officials announced Tuesday.

Some active duty personnel are also exhibiting symptoms of viral gastroenteritis, officials said.

Some of those 240 have already recovered and are back to normal basic cadet training and duty activities but currently, there are approximately 180 cadets recovering in isolation at Vandenberg Hall, one of two cadet dormitories.
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COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. -- Approximately 240 cadets at the Air Force Academy have been sickened by a stomach virus, academy officials announced Tuesday.

Some active duty personnel are also exhibiting symptoms of viral gastroenteritis, officials said.

Some of those 240 have already recovered and are back to normal basic cadet training and duty activities but currently, there are approximately 180 cadets recovering in isolation at Vandenberg Hall, one of two cadet dormitories.
I hope they bought them some super Charmin!!
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Old 07-27-2011, 05:17 PM
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COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. -- Approximately 240 cadets at the Air Force Academy have been sickened by a stomach virus, academy officials announced Tuesday.

Some active duty personnel are also exhibiting symptoms of viral gastroenteritis, officials said.

Some of those 240 have already recovered and are back to normal basic cadet training and duty activities but currently, there are approximately 180 cadets recovering in isolation at Vandenberg Hall, one of two cadet dormitories.
Well clearly the Air Force is looking at a small group trying to form a union. That is the only logical explanation.
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Old 07-27-2011, 06:42 PM
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CAL has been reporting being short staffed since March of this year in daily meetings. Especially in IAH. This shouldn't be a surprise to management that they have run out of flight deck crews.
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I have a "special name" for calls from the crew desk. I call them "voice mail".

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Old 07-28-2011, 04:28 AM
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CAL has been reporting being short staffed since March of this year in daily meetings. Especially in IAH. This shouldn't be a surprise to management that they have run out of flight deck crews.
When there was no hiring reflected on the system bid last winter the union presented them data showing they would be short. This is completely their responsibility.
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