Where did this info come from? I thought LCAL first had to first offer class dates to those already hired a few years back that never made it on property (both on the LUAL and LCAL side)? I've heard there are about 100+ people in this position.

FWIW, the "new hires" currently scheduled through the October classes are all 100% furloughed L-UAL pilots.

The 12 a week are UAL guys. They consider us New Hires.

Do the furloughed UAL pilots start at 2nd year pay at least?

Not quite technically correct. You have health insurance day 1, no probation, and you receive the payrate you had at UAL.

Welcome to Continental Airlines, I hear we suck.


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It depends. They earn the higher of their last pay rate at UAL or their CAL longevity rate and it all depends on where the curves meet.

For example, pilots that spent 8 months on probationary pay prior to furlough at UAL essentially start the clock over again and they won't get a real raise until they finish a full year at CAL and go to the CAL 2nd year rate.

Hopefully the JCBA addresses this, but without details nothing public is known.

I came to the CAL side assuming you would do things as good or better than UAL. Each side does things better than the other in areas. But:

As far as how the employees are ruled by intimidation, no work rules, slave mentality that the employees don't care about and on and on, I was shocked. I've never been somewhere where crew members are dropping dead, literally. People are tired. Double red eyes back to back. Scheds always changing. FAs flying 150+ a month.

There is more to life than work. And employees are more than "units of cost". CAL management and employees together believe in working yourself to exhaustion.

So yes, CAL sucks!

Disclaimer: never been in trouble here, or anywhere I've worked, never called in sick. Have built two businesses so I actually enjoy hard work.

No one is forced to work. I've never been junior manned, I don't pick up time, never flew over guarantee as a reserve. I fly less than 80 on a full month as a line holder. It is what you make it.

On reserve and getting. 90+ a month, not my choice. So yes, they are forcing.

It's coming to an end, hopefully sooner than later. Show me the TA!