1257

There are reports that the APA and American mgmt. have agreed on industry leading ~ FedEx payscales.
Obviously since AmEagle is being separated from AMR, scope will also be critical for the American pilots.
The TA is supposed to be out by Oct. '11
Can anyone familiar with an AMR pilot who's been to one of the APA roadshows confirm what APA is advising/releasing?

jaykris

I hope you are right! Those guys have been through hell, as have we. Its time for this industry to move forward, charge a reasonable fee for a ticket, and make some damn money.

J

1257

Agreed absolutely.
Still just third hand info. though until some AMR guys can confirm and
add to what's coming out from APA on a first hand basis.
Posted here because this info. is hugely relevant to the UA/CO contract negotiations.

Mink

Just looked at the APA website (I'm f'd AA). I would guess if something had been agreed upon, it would be reported there. But, no.

Just forum threads on the downgrade/decline of AMR stock, management's continued abuse of pilots, and AMR's attempt to merge with BA.

Sorry.

1257

The official info. won't be released until the TA is made public.
This came from someone speaking to an APA rep. and is/will be
related to what's coming from the APA discussed info. directly to pilots.
We wouldn't see it yet on the website.

Mink

Hmmm. OK. I would think APA info would be released, or at least rumors would start circulating, on the APA site, but maybe not. We'll see.

1257

They almost never release partial contract agreement specifics publically before the
whole TA is completed because it could affect the other areas still being negotiated ie. scope/work rules.
But the reps. familiar with the neg. can say approx where they're at on payscales for example.
This is what was related, that they're at approx FedEx scales on both sides.

eaglefly

I'd be very surprised if this was true. I know 10/11 is the drop-dead date for Eagle pilots wanting a chance at AA, but ALPA just fled the building and isn't speaking to the APA anymore, because they got their feelings hurt.

1257

Surely there are many other side issues going on simultaneously.
I'd like to try to keep this thread about UA/CO pilots familiar with AMR pilots who've spoken
first hand to APA reps. about this specific payscale info. for the purpose
of keeping track of the latest developments in industry leading pay.
Definitely something to keep aware of during the UA/CO merger contract negotiations.
Thanks.

Sniper

If true, it could be very beneficial if the other rumor that AA is setting themselves up for a Ch. 11 filing (which is supposed to be more difficult to do these days, preventing airline management from doing 'a Delta', and going into bankruptcy just to shed liabilities - underfunded pilot pensions, among others) is true.

Generally, a bankruptcy court doesn't look kindly on management asking to abrogate a new agreement, since it would be assumed that management knew about their perilous financial position when the contract was signed, but thought they could afford it.

How does this relate to industry leading rates? If true, the AA rates might be immune to bankruptcy concerns for a bit, allowing other groups to use them in their 'comparison' calculations without concern for the 'status quo' changing in the middle of a drawn-out negotiation.