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hockeypilot44 09-23-2011 06:12 PM

As an outsider, let me get this straight. Management wants to take the worse of both contracts? United's scope, Cal's work rules, etc.

1257 09-23-2011 06:18 PM

It's a very clear play to try to turn just enough pilots against ALPA.
They believe this is possible because they are still getting on time zero departures,
JRM volunteers, people accepting 2hr. callouts on reserve and people picking up open time and covering the schedule.
All to help the mgmt. team that created a faux bankruptcy to legally steal our retirements and livelihoods.
We have no one to blame but ourselves until we start pushing back, plain and simple. Wendy and Jay can't do that for us.
Actions, not words.

APC225 09-23-2011 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1059233)
As an outsider, let me get this straight. Management wants to take the worse of both contracts? United's scope, Cal's work rules, etc.

Of course.

APC225 09-23-2011 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by 1257 (Post 1059237)
It's a very clear play to try to turn just enough pilots against ALPA.
They believe this is possible because they are still getting on time zero departures,
JRM volunteers, people accepting 2hr. callouts on reserve and people picking up open time and covering the schedule.
All to help the mgmt. team that created a faux bankruptcy to legally steal our retirements and livelihoods.
We have no one to blame but ourselves until we start pushing back, plain and simple. Wendy and Jay can't do that for us.
Actions, not words.

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SoCalGuy 09-24-2011 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1058631)
United Airlines Negotiations : Employees : Pilots : Negotiations updates : Negotiations Update 2011/09/22

September 22, 2011

Recently, ALPA distributed a communication mischaracterizing management’s motivation in proposing to ALPA’s leadership an alternative process for concluding joint contract negotiations promptly. While the Company’s motivation for the proposal should be obvious, as the proposal was a creative means to conclude an agreement promptly, we believe the correspondence speaks for itself and belies the deliberate mischaracterization of it by ALPA leaders. We have posted the letters United sent to Captain Morse and Captain Pierce below.

August 15, 2011 - United to Capt. Morse and Capt. Pierce
http://www.unitednegotiations.com/em...apt-Pierce.pdf

September 8, 2011 - United to Capt. Morse and Capt. Pierce
http://unitednegotiations.com/employ...apt-Pierce.pdf

Just something I noticed....

Is it me, or does Mike Bonds signature get progressively 'more' angry from the first letter to the next???

I know....Flare for the obvious.:rolleyes:

APC225 09-24-2011 07:17 AM

The whole purpose of this exercise was for the company to be able to make the statement, "your response to the company's proposal clearly removes your ability to claim it is managements's actions that are delaying an agreement" for their BOD audience.

They've achieved their goal and they're moving on to the next TBD tactic.

EWRflyr 09-25-2011 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by SoCalGuy (Post 1059376)
Just something I noticed....

Is it me, or does Mike Bonds signature get progressively 'more' angry from the first letter to the next???

I know....Flare for the obvious.:rolleyes:

I went back and looked. That's pretty funny.

ualratt 09-25-2011 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by SoCalGuy (Post 1059376)
Just something I noticed....

Is it me, or does Mike Bonds signature get progressively 'more' angry from the first letter to the next???

I know....Flare for the obvious.:rolleyes:

One is an actual hand written on paper signature and the other is signed using a hand writing software program.

EWRflyr 09-26-2011 04:46 AM


Originally Posted by ualratt (Post 1059920)
One is an actual hand written on paper signature and the other is signed using a hand writing software program.

Yeah, but even the presidential "auto-pen" thing still looks like the signature.

Bad software then?

SoCalGuy 09-26-2011 05:26 AM


Originally Posted by EWRflyr (Post 1060208)
Yeah, but even the presidential "auto-pen" thing still looks like the signature.

Bad software then?

One would think.

They gotta keep cutt'in cost somewhere for "Czar Jeffery" to keep padding his pockets.


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