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13n144e 11-09-2011 03:41 AM

SOC Date Revised
 
New SOC date pushed back to 11-30-11. :eek:

Tony Nelson 11-09-2011 04:21 AM


Originally Posted by 13n144e (Post 1082193)
New SOC date pushed back to 11-30-11. :eek:

What was it before?

reCALcitrant 11-09-2011 04:24 AM

11-11-11 I think.

reCALcitrant 11-09-2011 04:25 AM

BTW, FUPM biatches.:D

Ottopilot 11-09-2011 04:36 AM

I knew they wouldnt make it. I doubt they will make the new one.

Coto Pilot 11-09-2011 04:59 AM

Does this effect their bonuses?

EWRflyr 11-09-2011 05:19 AM

Like that is surprise. I heard two weeks ago that it had already been pushed to the end of November. Never understood how a year ago the company and the FAA could just agree on a date. Merger integration is a tedious process. How about choosing a general time frame so there is wiggle room for the uncertainties that pop up as the thing moves along?

AxlF16 11-09-2011 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by Coto Pilot (Post 1082229)
Does this effect their bonuses?

Yes. It increases their bonuses.

Daytripper 11-09-2011 05:42 AM

I know it's "apples and oranges".....but SWA looks like they will have SOC in the first quarter of 2012, with SLI. In my opinion...this attempt to cherry pick the cheapest procedure from each airline is just dragging the whole merger out. Wondering if it really saves anything in the long run. As it is now....I'm carrying more confusing paperwork now than I ever have. :mad: FUPM

cal73 11-09-2011 05:53 AM

.........;)

strfyr51 11-09-2011 05:57 AM

the FAA sorted through over 600 operating manuals and approves what THEY wanted Not just what the compant wanted. We now have 179 operating volumes and over 10K
pages of documents still for the FAA to review. Until the IT stuff is resolved with the Electronic log book we won't be finished. The flight proceedures are NOT the overriding factor. Dispatch will be integrating this winter Maint.Control not until next May if ever and then everything will be changed again when we all move to an even NEWER system.
There's no way in HELL anybody could have forseen what date the SOC was coming.
And even AFTER SOC none of this integreation will be even STARTED much less Finished
The FAA inspector we talked to said that even Delta and Northwest aren't even close to finished integrating yet. so this might take another 2-3 years to complete which includes the A350's and the UAL ordered 787's and possibly the 747-8's..

strfyr51 11-09-2011 05:59 AM

sorry for the spelling I'm writing from a laptop and this screen is SMALL!

Daytripper 11-09-2011 06:31 AM

Don't underestimate the power of money.....and a big rubber stamp.:rolleyes:
But I understand what your saying.

gettinbumped 11-09-2011 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by strfyr51 (Post 1082253)
the FAA sorted through over 600 operating manuals and approves what THEY wanted Not just what the compant wanted. We now have 179 operating volumes and over 10K
pages of documents still for the FAA to review. Until the IT stuff is resolved with the Electronic log book we won't be finished. The flight proceedures are NOT the overriding factor. Dispatch will be integrating this winter Maint.Control not until next May if ever and then everything will be changed again when we all move to an even NEWER system.
There's no way in HELL anybody could have forseen what date the SOC was coming.
And even AFTER SOC none of this integreation will be even STARTED much less Finished
The FAA inspector we talked to said that even Delta and Northwest aren't even close to finished integrating yet. so this might take another 2-3 years to complete which includes the A350's and the UAL ordered 787's and possibly the 747-8's..

Interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing the MX perspective and info.

FIIGMO 11-09-2011 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by Daytripper (Post 1082245)
I know it's "apples and oranges".....but SWA looks like they will have SOC in the first quarter of 2012, with SLI. In my opinion...this attempt to cherry pick the cheapest procedure from each airline is just dragging the whole merger out. Wondering if it really saves anything in the long run. As it is now....I'm carrying more confusing paperwork now than I ever have. :mad: FUPM

Felt sorry for the PMNW guys having to learn all of the DAL stuff to get the SOC done quick! Thank god we are at a point now where the good PMNW procedures and policies are starting to get to the line. DELTA of course stands for " Do Everything like the Amish! So I would agree to just pick one get er done then cherry pick later. Seemed to work out for DAL, I even forgot about all the b*tchin that went on on both sides of the fence.

13n144e 11-09-2011 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by strfyr51 (Post 1082253)
the FAA sorted through over 600 operating manuals and approves what THEY wanted Not just what the compant wanted. We now have 179 operating volumes and over 10K
pages of documents still for the FAA to review. Until the IT stuff is resolved with the Electronic log book we won't be finished. The flight proceedures are NOT the overriding factor. Dispatch will be integrating this winter Maint.Control not until next May if ever and then everything will be changed again when we all move to an even NEWER system.
There's no way in HELL anybody could have forseen what date the SOC was coming.
And even AFTER SOC none of this integreation will be even STARTED much less Finished
The FAA inspector we talked to said that even Delta and Northwest aren't even close to finished integrating yet. so this might take another 2-3 years to complete which includes the A350's and the UAL ordered 787's and possibly the 747-8's..

I don't care if it ever gets done. So much the better if Jeffy's bonus goes up in smoke. I just wanna know when the FAA is going to rubber stamp this train wreck so I can get the call sign right. Preflight call sign mantra; "UNITEDXXX, UNITEDXXX, UNITEDXXX..."

skippy 11-09-2011 07:35 AM

Ur confusing that date with the movie immortals! How ironic

cadetdrivr 11-09-2011 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by strfyr51 (Post 1082253)
...so this might take another 2-3 years to complete which includes the A350's and the UAL ordered 787's and possibly the 747-8's..

Interesting. I heard that Boeing offered UA a killer deal on the 747-8, but then also heard it was placed on the back burner.

flybynuts 11-09-2011 11:39 AM

Yep, supposedly at the end of the month it will be complete and we will use the United call sign 1 December.

Another item is that the rumor is that QTR 1, the Airbus will be coming to IAH and a lot of the 737s go to ORD a little to DEN and a lot to LAX once the T&PA expire. Whether they displace all to create hate and discontent or just build trips as through flight will yet to be determined.

Interesting times.

13n144e 11-09-2011 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by skippy (Post 1082322)
Ur confusing that date with the movie immortals! How ironic

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skippy 11-09-2011 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by 13n144e (Post 1082597)
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Immortals - Official Trailer [HD] - YouTube

the movie immortals 11/11/11

13n144e 11-10-2011 05:07 PM

Gotcha... I thought you were talking about Greta Garbo or something:D

UalHvy 11-11-2011 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by strfyr51 (Post 1082253)
the FAA sorted through over 600 operating manuals and approves what THEY wanted Not just what the compant wanted. We now have 179 operating volumes and over 10K
pages of documents still for the FAA to review. Until the IT stuff is resolved with the Electronic log book we won't be finished. The flight proceedures are NOT the overriding factor. Dispatch will be integrating this winter Maint.Control not until next May if ever and then everything will be changed again when we all move to an even NEWER system.
There's no way in HELL anybody could have forseen what date the SOC was coming.
And even AFTER SOC none of this integreation will be even STARTED much less Finished
The FAA inspector we talked to said that even Delta and Northwest aren't even close to finished integrating yet. so this might take another 2-3 years to complete which includes the A350's and the UAL ordered 787's and possibly the 747-8's..

Please.....do not tease us with the thought of 747-800s.

13n144e 11-14-2011 01:20 PM

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...09-717193.html



United Continental Given Time To Complete Safety Tests


By Doug Cameron
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

United Continental Holdings Inc. (UAL) won a partial victory in its quest to cement the merger of its two legacy airlines, as U.S. regulators gave it more time to complete essential safety-related tests on its aircraft fleet.

The largest U.S. airline group by traffic aims to secure a single operating certificate, by year-end, a grant from regulators that will allow it to start meshing the aircraft and crew from its United and Continental units.

The Federal Aviation Administration said in a regulatory filing it turned down United Continental' request to skip retaking two essential safety tests--a partial aircraft evacuation and simulated water ditching--on three plane types.

The company plans to use Continental's operating certificate, which would see the transfer of three aircraft types that it doesn't fly--United's fleet of Boeing Co. (BA) 747s, 767-300s and Airbus A320-family planes. It had argued that since United already flew the planes--and Continental used to fly the 747--there was no need to retake the tests.

The FAA ruled it would have to complete the demonstrations, but said this wouldn't delay the grant of a single certificate and gave the company until June 1 next year to complete the requirements.

Continental, the launch customer for the Boeing 787, will also have to perform the two tests when the first of the planes arrives in the second half of next year.

-By Doug Cameron, Dow Jones Newswires; 312-750-4135; [email protected]


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