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Monkeyfly 12-02-2011 01:31 PM

AirPiCen,

SOC is here, gonna combine the profiles page?

Here's a start:

320: 152
737: 238
747: 23
757: 157
767: 59
777: 74
787: (4 currently in assembly)

Total Pilots:
12385

Furloughed from UA:
1437

Bases:

CLE, DCA, DEN, EWR, GUM, IAH, JFK, LAX, ORD, SEA, SFO

Pay rates:

:(

HSLD 12-02-2011 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by Monkeyfly (Post 1095415)
AirPiCen,

SOC is here, gonna combine the profiles page?

Here's a start:

320: 152
737: 238
747: 23
757: 157
767: 59
777: 74
787: (4 currently in assembly)

Total Pilots:
12385

Furloughed from UA:
1437

Bases:

CLE, DCA, DEN, EWR, GUM, IAH, JFK, LAX, ORD, SEA, SFO

Pay rates:

:(


Sorry if this isn't the answer you're looking for but we'll probably wait until the JCBA/SLI occurs before updating the profile page. The SOC was approved, but UniCon can't truly operates as a single carrier until they settle up with labor.

Monkeyfly 12-02-2011 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by HSLD (Post 1095448)
Sorry if this isn't the answer you're looking for but we'll probably wait until the JCBA/SLI occurs before updating the profile page. The SOC was approved, but UniCon can't truly operates as a single carrier until they settle up with labor.


Agreed.

Looking forward to 201_...

Spicy McHaggis 12-02-2011 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by Monkeyfly (Post 1095460)
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Agreed.

Looking forward to 201_...


Ah, an optimist....

strfyr51 12-03-2011 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by 13n144e (Post 1094098)
The surviving certiificate is CAL. The scope protections from the CAL pilots' contract are still in effect until we're given a JCBA. That the company will probably choose not to honor their agreement is probably a forgone conclusion, but considering that it's the same certificate and same contract, violations shouldn't be any more difficult to track down and enforce.

************************************************** *******8
That SOC signoff has NOTHING to do with your SCOPE nor contract. UAL will do as it's ALWAYS done. Whether they choose to RESPECT your Contract and SCOPE? That's a "Horse of another color".. Don't get your hopes up.
You're at United Now and THINGS are Different!

13n144e 12-04-2011 04:47 AM


Originally Posted by strfyr51 (Post 1095801)
************************************************** *******8
That SOC signoff has NOTHING to do with your SCOPE nor contract. UAL will do as it's ALWAYS done. Whether they choose to RESPECT your Contract and SCOPE? That's a "Horse of another color".. Don't get your hopes up.
You're at United Now and THINGS are Different!

I actually agree with your first statement. I only pointed out that CAL was the surviving certificate to emphasize the fact that the scope section of our contract is still in effect and will remain so. It actually doesn't matter which is the surviving certificate, our contract still governs our flying. Period. Doesn't matter how much you capitalize, the rest of your post is your usual nonsense. I've seen no changes here at L-CAL other than a call sign. Same certificate, same checklists, same procedures, same Flight Ops management, same CEO...right down to the same paint job. Read Capt. Morse's recent comments concerning the lamentable CAL culture being imposed on L-UAL and she's absolutely correct; the few (and there weren't many) positive aspects of "CAL culture" died out long ago and I wouldn't want Jeffy's twisted version shoved down my throat either. But I certainly haven't had any one try to impose "United culture" here. Strfyr, I think your a little confused on the "merger of equals" concept, but it really doesn't matter. We will enforce our scope agreement whether UAL (or you) likes it or not.

beeker 12-04-2011 05:06 AM


Originally Posted by HSLD (Post 1095448)
Sorry if this isn't the answer you're looking for but we'll probably wait until the JCBA/SLI occurs before updating the profile page. The SOC was approved, but UniCon can't truly operates as a single carrier until they settle up with labor.

US Airways has a single page and they haven't settle up with labor, or maybe it's labor hasn't settled up with itself. What are you trying to do divide the pilot group?????

Coach67 12-04-2011 05:12 AM


Originally Posted by 13n144e (Post 1096218)
I actually agree with your first statement. I only pointed out that CAL was the surviving certificate to emphasize the fact that the scope section of our contract is still in effect and will remain so. It actually doesn't matter which is the surviving certificate, our contract still governs our flying. Period.

Maybe I'm not seeing it. Before they couldn't use a RJ70 with a CAL callsign between EWR and say CLE. Now with no CAL callsign ... can't they go ahead and do this with the UAL callsign despite the CAL scope language? It's the enforcement and monitoring issue that causes me concern and raises lots of questions.

gettinbumped 12-04-2011 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by Coach67 (Post 1096226)
Maybe I'm not seeing it. Before they couldn't use a RJ70 with a CAL callsign between EWR and say CLE. Now with no CAL callsign ... can't they go ahead and do this with the UAL callsign despite the CAL scope language? It's the enforcement and monitoring issue that causes me concern and raises lots of questions.

+1. This is what I'm anxious to see. I'm sure it will go back to arbitration. I'm worried about the result

bkaz 12-04-2011 04:16 PM

I'm not so sure there is a problem yet. Even though everyone is using the United call sign under one certificate, the company is still selling tickets on both United and Continental. A passenger can still purchase a ticket on Continental that includes a legs on Continental Connection, and the company is still not supposed to put the Continental code on 70 seat United Express flights. I see this being an issue the day they start selling tickets as a combined company (middle of 2012 if I remember correctly).


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