Airline Pilot Central Forums

Airline Pilot Central Forums (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/)
-   United (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/united/)
-   -   UAL/CAL MEC leadership missing (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/united/63751-ual-cal-mec-leadership-missing.html)

dumbfounded 11-30-2011 09:58 AM

UAL/CAL MEC leadership missing
 
It's time for our MEC leaders to step-up and lead. What will it take for the combined pilot groups to demand that from them?

SOTeric 11-30-2011 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by dumbfounded (Post 1093888)
It's time for our MEC leaders to step-up and lead. What will it take for the combined pilot groups to demand that from them?

The pilots need to get off their apathetic butts is a start. Ever notice how many voters turn out for MEC/LEC elections?

Upon recall from my last furlough there was a push for an in-house union (2007). Those pilots leading the charge were vilified and ostracized. Admittedly, I thought their actions were misguided.

If/when I go back to UCAL, I will be listening VERY closely to any drives for an in-house union of the combined carriers.

I truly believe now is the time.

skippy 11-30-2011 11:37 AM

I agree. We need to bankrupt alpa and reorganize the way we do things bc what is presently going on isnt working ( An i ai t working at united either)
Something has got to give for labor is always at a disadvantage.

dumbfounded 11-30-2011 12:44 PM

I'm not advocating we dump ALPA!

What I am advocating is we get our current leaders to step up to the plate. Time and time again we've given direction and they have failed to act. If it's time to go to jail, let one of them go jail - we'll get him out and press back harder. If a head gets cracked, we'll get it fixed and send back two guys and press back harder. We have to be willing to fight. I'm tired of running away and tired of losing.

We lost the advantage to current management by failing to fight back. Write your LEC reps and your MEC chairs and let them know they have had direction for some time and It's time to act.

Old UCAL CA 11-30-2011 12:59 PM

I don't mean to do the wet noodle thing but....

an independent union or ALPA certainly would invite boatloads of debate as to advantages versus disadvantages.

But, if you don't like the leadership now, you won't like it at some future date as an independent because it will be the same pilots.

Absent a great deal of hiring/retiring turnover, the same pilots in the same pilot group will rise to the top in either case, independent or national.

You guys are speculating a "grass is greener" vision. 'Won't change a thing as far as leadership.

dumbfounded 11-30-2011 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by Old UCAL CA (Post 1093997)
I don't mean to do the wet noodle thing but....

an independent union or ALPA certainly would invite boatloads of debate as to advantages versus disadvantages.

But, if you don't like the leadership now, you won't like it at some future date as an independent because it will be the same pilots.

Absent a great deal of hiring/retiring turnover, the same pilots in the same pilot group will rise to the top in either case, independent or national.

You guys are speculating a "grass is greener" vision. 'Won't change a thing as far as leadership.

Not what I said - Don't want to dump ALPA - Want current leaders to grow a set and LEAD!!!

XHooker 12-01-2011 04:48 AM


Originally Posted by dumbfounded (Post 1093984)
What I am advocating is we get our current leaders to step up to the plate. Time and time again we've given direction and they have failed to act. If it's time to go to jail, let one of them go jail - we'll get him out and press back harder. If a head gets cracked, we'll get it fixed and send back two guys and press back harder. We have to be willing to fight. I'm tired of running away and tired of losing.

We lost the advantage to current management by failing to fight back. Write your LEC reps and your MEC chairs and let them know they have had direction for some time and It's time to act.

Really? Give me one metric that tells our union leadership or management we're ready for a fight. As far as management is concerned, all is well.

SoCalGuy 12-01-2011 06:04 AM


Originally Posted by XHooker (Post 1094444)
Really? Give me one metric that tells our union leadership or management we're ready for a fight. As far as management is concerned, all is well.

After having UHC's face of management (a'la, Jeffery the "Smiz") glad handing his "co-workers" at the recent ORD CEO Pony-Show, it was certainly clear that the false facade of a Merger was alive-n-well. You could almost hear him say...."All is well, nothing to worry about here".

Will he be able to sell this shammed perception in his final road-show of 2011 at IAD??

Daytripper 12-01-2011 06:14 AM


Will he be able to sell this shammed perception in his final road-show of 2011 at IAD??
I'm guessing the room will be "staffed" with plenty of pilot haters. :rolleyes:

dumbfounded 12-01-2011 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by XHooker (Post 1094444)
Really? Give me one metric that tells our union leadership or management we're ready for a fight. As far as management is concerned, all is well.

Your post is exactly what I'm talking about. Time and time again we see the anger in written word and voiced in the cockpit and crewrooms around the system. What is our elected leaders on either MEC waiting for? Do they want us to charge the hill and if all is ok they'll join us at the top. Our leaders have acted like CEO's and take credit for the good and blame the troops for the bad - I say enough - Either Lead, Follow or Get out of the way! If you are looking for surveys or mass showings at LEC meetings, that time is past - It's time for a scorched earth policy and the time is NOW!


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 11:38 AM.


Website Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands