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NotYet 12-10-2011 07:09 AM

PBS "help"
 
I'm a newhire, in real need of some PBS help today or Sunday afternoon.
No answers at any of the advertised help lines, prefbid or IAH MEC office.
Emails, voicemails have been launched. Can't log in to PrefBid. The old PBS documents have been deemed obsolete, and a new one exists but can't be
found. Guess I'm on my own, unless anyone out there has any good ideas.
Any ideas?

EWRflyr 12-11-2011 05:08 AM


Originally Posted by NotYet (Post 1099509)
I'm a newhire, in real need of some PBS help today or Sunday afternoon.
No answers at any of the advertised help lines, prefbid or IAH MEC office.
Emails, voicemails have been launched. Can't log in to PrefBid. The old PBS documents have been deemed obsolete, and a new one exists but can't be
found. Guess I'm on my own, unless anyone out there has any good ideas.
Any ideas?

What exactly is it you need help with? Can you ask the question here and maybe someone can pipe in as to how to solve your problem? Unless of course you mean you need an A-Z rundown of how to use PBS. In that case I would see why you need their help.

To be honest, three times in the past I have asked for or tried to utilize the various experts and help options to get questions answered on PBS bidding and how something was awarded. Twice I never got responses. The third time I chatted with someone who took down my question for research with a promise to get back to me with the answer. Never happened. Other general e-mails to the scheduling committee have gone unanswered as well.

That was three strikes for them as I found them absolutely useless in responding to my needs as a member. The fact of the matter is I wouldn't need their help if they were able to write coherent documentation which fully explains PBS, Dynamic Bidding, Mixed Lines and Reserve Denial Mode bid groups.

beeker 12-11-2011 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by EWRflyr (Post 1100022)
The fact of the matter is I wouldn't need their help if they were able to write coherent documentation which fully explains PBS, Dynamic Bidding, Mixed Lines and Reserve Denial Mode bid groups.

ain't that the truth.

watching6 12-11-2011 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by EWRflyr (Post 1100022)
The fact of the matter is I wouldn't need their help if they were able to write coherent documentation which fully explains PBS, Dynamic Bidding, Mixed Lines and Reserve Denial Mode bid groups.

How can they write it when it is a dynamic document based on the company needs, when the company wants a change they do it and we suffer? And it all started with a Pre-Tentative Agreement advertisement of "HONORING ABSOLUTE SENIORITY" to a contract stating, "SENIORITY WITHIN FEASABILITY".

Daytripper 12-11-2011 02:05 PM


How can they write it when it is a dynamic document based on the company needs, when the company wants a change they do it and we suffer? And it all started with a Pre-Tentative Agreement advertisement of "HONORING ABSOLUTE SENIORITY" to a contract stating, "SENIORITY WITHIN FEASABILITY".
Exactly!!:mad: Absolutely has to change in the new contract.

As to the new hire, the best bet in my opinion is to sit down with a line pilot side by side at the computer. Somebody who is familiar with reserve bidding. I've been here since it's inception, and it's still a WAG for me. :(

EWRflyr 12-13-2011 05:21 AM


Originally Posted by beeker (Post 1100088)
ain't that the truth.

Thanks for the confirmation. I sometimes think I am the only one who doesn't understand the literature put out even after reading it multiple times in a quiet room with no distractions. Read it and interpret it one way then read it again and get a completely different interpretation. Most of the time I read that stuff and ask myself, "Now what does THAT mean??"

Seriously, that Dynamic Bidding document and explanation of Reserve Denial bid groups is the most confusing thing I have read. And english IS my primary language!

Spicy McHaggis 12-13-2011 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by EWRflyr (Post 1100950)
Thanks for the confirmation. I sometimes think I am the only one who doesn't understand the literature put out even after reading it multiple times in a quiet room with no distractions. Read it and interpret it one way then read it again and get a completely different interpretation. Most of the time I read that stuff and ask myself, "Now what does THAT mean??"

Seriously, that Dynamic Bidding document and explanation of Reserve Denial bid groups is the most confusing thing I have read. And english IS my primary language!



Don't worry though. Once you get below the G-line and into the mixed line world, seniority no longer matters. Even more so than the splat effect above the G-line. It will build lines how it sees fit. Every month I will sit rsv while people junior to me get mixed lines. Frustrating to say the least. Even more frustrating is the union says there's no dispute. THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO WORK THAT WAY.


Unbelievable.

beeker 12-13-2011 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by EWRflyr (Post 1100950)
And english IS my primary language!

There's your problem, it should be binary code or C++ or something like that.
Those documents are like books that are written in english, then translated to japanese and then translated back to english. It just doesn't come back correctly.

EWRflyr 12-14-2011 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis (Post 1101141)
Don't worry though. Once you get below the G-line and into the mixed line world, seniority no longer matters. Even more so than the splat effect above the G-line. It will build lines how it sees fit. Every month I will sit rsv while people junior to me get mixed lines. Frustrating to say the least. Even more frustrating is the union says there's no dispute. THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO WORK THAT WAY.


Unbelievable.

Seniority doesn't seem to matter period.

EWRflyr 12-14-2011 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by beeker (Post 1101144)
There's your problem, it should be binary code or C++ or something like that.
Those documents are like books that are written in english, then translated to japanese and then translated back to english. It just doesn't come back correctly.

I see....GIGO

Garbage IN, Garbage OUT.

That clears it up then. I've been operating under the wrong premise since I've been here. :D


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