Will UAL Really hire this year?
 

I keep on hearing conflicting things
I hear that United has so many furloughs left but then I hear that CAL has growth for next year and a ton of retirements coming up. I also hear that furlough acceptance rate is only about 1 for every 6.

Who will do the actual hiring? Will it still be on Airline apps?

Don't hold your breath on any "hiring"...
1-6 is correct but that is only until the other 5-6 either need a job or things get better. Meaning, UAL actually recalls to UAL jobs or a JCBA gets done !

If any off the street hiring is done it will be on CAL side.

It seems likely that the Continental side will need to hire off the street this fall based on the number of vacancies in the latest system bid. The acceptance rate is about 1 to 6 among the UAL pilots being offered the Continental job. They will likely have gone through the entire list by early fall.

Keep in mind that this senario would change if the company reached a JCBA with the pilot group(I hear rumors that the pace of negotiations is picking up and others saying don't plan of seeing a contract for years, so who knows). The acceptance rate for an actual recall to UAL will be much higher, and the company will have to offer recalls as opposed to hiring once the operation is combined.

Also be aware that if you are picked up as a new hire in the fall, you will have the UAL furloughees ahead of you on the combined senority list, and they have 10 yr recall rights from the date of furlough. You could be close to the bottom for a while as they work their way back in.

At this point in time, there's a bit less than 300 LUAL furloughees that will have to be offered jobs at LCAL. The junior LUAL furloughee who accepts should be in class no later than the end of October.

LCAL is attending a job fair in Vegas in April. I recommend that you either go there or make sure that someone can drop off your resume at the job fair. FltOps.com: Pilot Job Fairs

Assuming no new contract anytime soon (a new contract might cause a bunch of bypassing furloughees to return), the LCAL side should have off the street hires by the beginning of November.

LUAL has had near zero retirements since age 65 went into effect ... I've watched the monthly numbers and it's averaged a bit more than 1 retirement per month. So when age 65 retirements kick in, the LUAL side should see 20-25 retirements per month indefinitely. For LCAL, my understanding is that the numbers are slightly less but similar.

At this point, I'd say that the combined United is way behind the power curve on hiring and it'll probably take them quite a while before they can drop hiring down to 50/month.
If you get hired in the next year or so, you're almost certain to have a MUCH better career than me (furloughed 8 out of 12 yrs). Barring something extraordinary, you probably wouldn't ever see a furlough.

All hiring will be done by folks from CAL. If you want me to walk in your resume, I accept paypal. :D

"At this point in time, there's a bit less than 300 LUAL furloughees that will have to be offered jobs at LCAL. The junior LUAL furloughee who accepts should be in class no later than the end of October."

Probably closer to 400 uncalled UAL furloughees. I am about 360 'ish, and there WERE about 45 "below" me...

Pinnacle, I wouldn't let this dissuade you. First, there will be about 500 retirements/yr. at UAL. Second, the improvement in staffing to the CAL side with a JCBA alone will be worth hundreds of jobs. Third, many of those who bypassed aren't coming back.

If LCAL starts hiring while we at LUAL still have guys on furlough that WILL be the event that breaks the camels back.

What is "enough" for you guys? :mad:

DOH! I should have verified remaining furloughees prior to posting. My bad.

Hoss, obviously LCAL will not hire off the street until every UAL furlough has been called and given a chance to come to LCAL. There's a lot to be teed off about around here, but I fail to see why you're seeing this as the proverbial last straw.