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beeker 03-09-2012 06:33 PM

Cal pbs
 
When above the gline, so guaranteed a flight line, if all 20 of your bid groups fail and it goes into denial mode what steps does the computer follow in assigning you a line? Does it start with you first bid group relaxing the parameters to find a solution, while working its way down your bid groups again? Or does it just start with you last bid group and only modifying the parameters of the last bid group until a solution can be created?

Spicy McHaggis 03-09-2012 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by beeker (Post 1148886)
When above the gline, so guaranteed a flight line, if all 20 of your bid groups fail and it goes into denial mode what steps does the computer follow in assigning you a line? Does it start with you first bid group relaxing the parameters to find a solution, while working its way down your bid groups again? Or does it just start with you last bid group and only modifying the parameters of the last bid group until a solution can be created?

It will relax certain parameters (Denial Mode 1) then run through the 20 bid groups again. If no line can be built, it relaxes more parameters (DM2) and tries it again. By the time it gets to DM4, it's pretty much just "award work".


For the technical answer:


Flight Line Denial Mode

The steps of denial are the same for both above and below the G-line for the “Flight Line Denial Mode.” You will enter “Flight Line Denial Mode” under
the following conditions:

• Above the G-line bidding for a flight line
• Below the G-line bidding for a flight line and senior enough to hold one
• Below the G-line junior-assigned into a flight line


Denial mode group #1:
• All Credit waives remain
• All Day Off waives remain
• All SETs remain
• All AWARDs remain with current limits
• All AVOIDs remain
• Add AWARD WORK with LOW weight for entire bid period+7days
below all other AWARD/AVOID

Denial mode group #2:
• All Credit waives remain
• All Day Off waives remain
• All SETs remain - except SET LINE CREDIT RANGE is removed (if
existing)
• All AWARDs remain with current limits
• All AVOIDs remain
• Add AWARD WORK with LOW weight for entire bid period+7days
below all other AWARD/AVOID

Denial mode group #3:
• All Credit waives removed
• All Day Off waives remain
• All SETs removed
• All AWARDs remain with removed limits
• All AVOIDs remain
• Add AWARD WORK with LOW weight for entire bid period+7days
below all other AWARD/AVOID

Denial mode group #4:
• All Credit waives removed
• All Day Off waives remain
• All SETs removed
• All AWARDs remain with removed limits
• All AVOIDs remain
• Add AWARD WORK with LOW weight for entire bid period+7days
above all other AWARD/AVOID

beeker 03-09-2012 08:11 PM

thank you exactly what i was looking for.

Point99orbetter 03-12-2012 07:20 PM

Spicy,
Thanks for the complete answer. Just wondering where I might find all this info.

beeker 03-13-2012 06:13 AM


Originally Posted by Point99orbetter (Post 1150678)
Spicy,
Thanks for the complete answer. Just wondering where I might find all this info.

you have to hack into the PBS mainframe and decipher the binary code.

Coto Pilot 03-13-2012 06:24 AM

I think it is on the flight ops page, there is a publication called the ABC's of PBS

Old UCAL CA 03-13-2012 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by Point99orbetter (Post 1150678)
Spicy,
Thanks for the complete answer. Just wondering where I might find all this info.

You might also try to find the ABC's of PBS, which is the primary manual, located on the PrefBid.com website (www.prefbid.com).

You can also call the CAL MEC office (281.987.3636) and someone from the committee might be able to send you a copy.

TruthHurts 03-13-2012 12:50 PM

I would explain it to you but if you don't know how PBS works by now then there's no hope for you. Just bid "Award Work" and pretend that you know what you are doing. Jay will take care of you.

This goon does not know how to bid that's why he went into "Denial Mode" in the first place. Now he wants an explanation of what happens in Denial Mode and he thinks he's going to understand those mechanizations? LOL! You guys just kill me. You really do.

TruthHurts 03-13-2012 12:56 PM

PBS Committee members are paid FPL to be there 5/7 but are only there 1/7 and when they are there they are out. If you are able to speak to a PBS trainer, he will either charge you for his services or berate you for being not as smart as he is. Jay Pierce's lap dog and founder of PBS, Dave Owens gave instruction two years ago bid "AWARD WORK" and forget about it. I hope you two simpletons are senior pilots. I never have problems with PBS. What do I know that you don't know? LOL!

APC225 04-18-2012 10:51 AM

MANAGEMENT-INDUCED ERROR
Yesterday, after the captain bid awards were published, the CAL MEC Scheduling Committee informed the company of an anomaly with the bid run. Some time later, the company confirmed with the Association that a major error had occurred. In short, the system updated carry-in data within the user interface (where you enter in monthly bids), but due to software settings within the program the latest data was not used during the actual bid run. This error was not easily detectable during the bid run, which the Association monitors.

To be perfectly clear, this was an error made by the company. The Association does not have control of or access to the systems required to pull carry-in data. To put a finer point on it, this was an error made by someone in management failing to fly the airplane. Management made a decision to do a major CCS upgrade on the 11th during the bid window. This caused changes in the middle of the bidding process, and a failure to correctly implement and monitor those changes led to a failure that directly impacts the lives of many of our pilots.

After much discussion amongst the Scheduling Committee, Union Officers, and the company, the Scheduling Committee agreed that the best course of action would be to rerun the bid in its entirety. Due to the nature of the problem, a large number of pilots were affected – 200 or more directly, with an undeterminable number below them affected indirectly.

What does this all mean? For captains, it means that you should disregard your current PBS Bid Award. For first officers, it means that your bid award will not be published at 1000 this morning. The process of rerunning the bid was started last night – absences and carry-in data were pulled (this will include any absence submitted since the close of bidding on the 13th until last night) and the runs were restarted. We expect captain bid awards to be out by Friday, and the large base first officer awards to be out by Monday.

What is the Union doing about this? The PBS Implementation LOA covers the criteria and actions that must be taken in order to initiate a rerun. This has all occurred. Whereas a rerun is a last resort option, given the extent of the problem, it was the only way to ensure a proper and fair bid award for all pilots. We are working with the Grievance committee to explore options for a remedy for the pilot group.

The dispute window will be reset, as will the Help Desk and Prefbid staffing. Look to the Friday CAL MEC Position Report for an update on the bid runs as well as the new dates for the dispute window as well as all support services including Prefbid.com and the help desk.

SPECIAL MEC MEETING FRIDAY, APRIL 20
A Special MEC Meeting has been called for this Friday, April 20, to discuss negotiating strategy in light of recent blastmails from the UAL MEC as well as the PBS issue.


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