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Old 03-26-2012, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Speedtape View Post
Now there is a senseless statement.

I have 17 days off and 80.5 hours of pay next month. Compared my schedule with a 320 FO on a recent commute. I get 5 more days off, and no 42 hour layovers in the sticks.

Maybe thats what a UAL furloughee remembers about the job, and why they assume that lowly CAL will be worse ?
I'm a 737 CA who goes back and forth from line to reserve. Every line I have had the last five years has been scheduled over 90 hours with no more than 12 days off. As senior reserve I fly everyday on reserve with few exceptions. I know from experience how quickly the senior pilots at L-CAL kick the junior pilots to the curb (that's one of the reasons I fly CA). I had the pleasure to fly with many of them after 9/01. Before the merger I was going to retire #9. So some day I too will be senior, but I will never forget how I was treated as a junior pilot for this company, and will not pull the ladder up on junior pilots.
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Old 03-26-2012, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Speedtape View Post
Now there is a senseless statement.

I have 17 days off and 80.5 hours of pay next month. Compared my schedule with a 320 FO on a recent commute. I get 5 more days off, and no 42 hour layovers in the sticks.

Maybe thats what a UAL furloughee remembers about the job, and why they assume that lowly CAL will be worse ?
was refering to your musical chair reserve days off and 8 hours off in domicile between reserve assignments. Those two gems are just like some regionals and considerably worse than others. The fur. UAL guys were used to 12 HARD days off and 14 hours between reserve assignments. Much wore civilized. But my personal fav is the 5 hrs of sick leave per reserve day. Used stategically, one can earn 90+ hrs pay with 20+ days off (including 18 consecutive), or so I have been told. Makes for a good spring break AND summer vacation during contract negotiations.

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Old 03-26-2012, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jsled View Post
Just to be clear, a furloughee on the UAL list has 10 years of recall rights from date of furlough. There is no obligation to come back when called. In fact, the furlouhee will be called only once. After that, it is up to the furloughee to call the company when he wants to come back. His place on the list is secure, provided he does not violate the 10 year limit. To imply that a new hire can somehow jump ahead of a furloughee on the ISL is assinine. Many furloughees are going to pass on the CAL job. For some, they prefer not to work for a company whose work rules mirror those of Mesa Airlines. Declining the CAL position has nothing to do with recall rights or their place on the list. Some of our furloughees have a DOH of 1985. Are they too in danger of being placed on the list below new hires?

Here ya go....All L-UAL furloughees will be given DOH on the ISL.

See how easy it is to state an assinine, baseless "fact". This statement is no more or less senseless than your's.

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Are UAL furloughees require to "resign" their seniority number if they go to work for another (better) airline? Good friend of mine was furloughed from UAL (after being furloughed from USAir) and eventually got on at SWA. Said he had to resign his number, but it may have been more of a SWA requirement. That or he just wants to make sure he never comes back to UAL. Either way, I didn't think that was binding.
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Old 03-26-2012, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 13n144e View Post
Are UAL furloughees require to "resign" their seniority number if they go to work for another (better) airline? Good friend of mine was furloughed from UAL (after being furloughed from USAir) and eventually got on at SWA. Said he had to resign his number, but it may have been more of a SWA requirement. That or he just wants to make sure he never comes back to UAL. Either way, I didn't think that was binding.
Many employers required furloughed UAL pilots to write a letter to UAL resigning their seniority numbers, however, UA Flight Ops was under no obligation to accept those letters
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Old 03-26-2012, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 13n144e View Post
Are UAL furloughees require to "resign" their seniority number if they go to work for another (better) airline? Good friend of mine was furloughed from UAL (after being furloughed from USAir) and eventually got on at SWA. Said he had to resign his number, but it may have been more of a SWA requirement. That or he just wants to make sure he never comes back to UAL. Either way, I didn't think that was binding.
You can "resign" your seniority at UAL. But all the letter does is go into a circular file in the chief pilot's office. They have never been accepted as an "actual" resignation by the company. I personally know many guys who sent these letters to their chief pilots' office at their new employers request. Each and every one of these guys returned to UAL at some point after their furlough.
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Old 03-26-2012, 05:13 PM
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I've "resigned" from UAL twice now and here I sit with another UAL ID. They understand some companies require a resignation letter from furloughees - they just toss them.
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Old 03-26-2012, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SNA320 View Post
You can "resign" your seniority at UAL. But all the letter does is go into a circular file in the chief pilot's office. They have never been accepted as an "actual" resignation by the company.
Never say "never"...
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Old 03-27-2012, 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by avia8orguy View Post
Since its the Continental side of hiring, does anyone know if one needs to have a current Airline Apps profile at the time of attending the job fair? Or would it be through United website?
Couldn't answer your question about whether you will or won't need it for the fair but do you think it will help or hurt to already have a profile completed? Me? I err on the side of being ready and if you're seriously interested in the job, what better way to show that interest. L-CAL still uses Airline Apps which can be a pain in the A to complete.

My suggestion is to get a jump on it and don't be lazy like the others leaving everything to the last minute. Far less stressful and considerably reduces the probability of errors which can be spoilers of all good plans...
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Old 03-27-2012, 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Blockoutblockin View Post
I'm sure this legal discussion is a bit too esoteric for you but to boil it down there is a legal hole in this coveted TPA a mile wide. The biggest threat to you in this regard deals with time. The longer there is not a JCBA the more dire the consequences are to you. You should contact your rep and demand a JCBA agreement now. Good luck with that.

honestly , the most dire consequence for you is that L-UAL pilots didn't lose their strike and are willing to burn the place to the ground. It'll be an interesting time, to see if CAL roots in crossing the line remain.
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Old 03-27-2012, 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy View Post
That was the UAL side. For the immediate future, the hiring will be done on the CAL side - the realistic quals were much lower on the CAL side in 2005-2008.
The "realistic quals?" Total BS.
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