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Old 04-04-2012, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by syd111 View Post
So where do you see yourself fitting in? Priority for commuting to work?
Somewhere better then on the very bottom of the list. I get priority over offline employees.. that's about it. Somehow our management got us to have priority on our metal. I have no idea how they pulled it off because that means they did something for us..Had to be by mistake .. The fact that it's happening on mainline flights is because of the whacky new res system, Which, BTW is causing gate agents to leave OMC's behind. Hopefully everyone is making the walk to make sure you dont leave the gate with empty seats and a commuter at the podium...
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Old 04-04-2012, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by supersix-4 View Post
Somewhere better then on the very bottom of the list. I get priority over offline employees.. that's about it. Somehow our management got us to have priority on our metal. I have no idea how they pulled it off because that means they did something for us..Had to be by mistake .. The fact that it's happening on mainline flights is because of the whacky new res system, Which, BTW is causing gate agents to leave OMC's behind. Hopefully everyone is making the walk to make sure you dont leave the gate with empty seats and a commuter at the podium...
Yes I make the walk on every flight and have the agents working hard to make sure everything is full, however not to interested in putting someone ahead of say my family becasue they choose to commute, sorry.
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Old 04-04-2012, 05:25 PM
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well, I can't blame you for looking out for #1. Perhaps priority on one's own metal is the way of the future? Maybe if you guys want priority on our metal you might have to give up some on your's.
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Originally Posted by supersix-4 View Post
well, I can't blame you for looking out for #1. Perhaps priority on one's own metal is the way of the future? Maybe if you guys want priority on our metal you might have to give up some on your's.
Not interested on priority on yours but thx for asking. I help out commuters in any way I can but I am not going to sit back and think they should have priority because they are commuting.
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Old 04-04-2012, 06:53 PM
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the only reason the UAX guys are lower on the list is because they are not owned by UAL/CAL corp. If XJ was still owned by CAL then they would board by DOH I am sure.
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Old 04-04-2012, 11:38 PM
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Time of check in is used as the tiebreaker.
The tiebreaker within each category.
So it applies to everyone.
The process says you can check in up to 24 hrs in advance of the flight.
Oh wait it must be broken because what it should say is ties will be broken by those with the longest itinerary or those with access to a keyboard or those in a different time zone.
And the ties are certainly not rare; why, you ask?
Oh that’s because the other process is broken and this mighty computer program can only resolve people down to within a year.
Unbelievable.
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Old 04-05-2012, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by xjtguy View Post
I don't really think he's talking about the regional partner employee bumping a mainline employee on a mainline flight. As you said, L-UAL is a seniority driven company, AA is not as far as non-rev pass travel goes.



True, as part as during the BK goes, especially round two. But before that, come on man. I've read PLENTY of your posts where possibly more consideration should have been given when it came down to the vote. Either in the midterm ESOP/HJS/Heavy jets for RJ's, or on the big fat paycheck of 2000 for the relaxation.
??? He's saying that UAL should go to the AA system because it is "more fair". That includes a 6 month regional Eagle pilot bumping a 30 year AMR Captain because he's quicker on the keyboard. Yeah.... No thanks.

I don't need some kid, or you for that matter, to tell me what the RJ stakes are. We've lost half our size to those tin cans. How many pilots in the bottom 75% of the list don't think about that every time we see one? We are well aware of the implications of scope and hopefully we can completely destroy the regional industry. There. Feel better?
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Originally Posted by supersix-4 View Post
well, I can't blame you for looking out for #1. Perhaps priority on one's own metal is the way of the future? Maybe if you guys want priority on our metal you might have to give up some on your's.
Why? You seem like a nice enough chap, so I don't want you to take any of this personally. But from my perspective, we paid for the seats. It says "UNITED EXPRESS" on the side of the airplane. I know Delta has moved to have priority for their employees on express carriers (except Skywest, I believe). On my commute I've watched it go from 6-7 mainline jets a day to 5 RJ's and 1 to 2 mainline, and that is the trend all around the country. Essentially almost every flight you fly is a charter. The ONLY reason we don't have priority on your metal via the contract we give you is that management doesn't care about us AT ALL, so they are perfectly willing to let you take the seats in front of us. It ain't a right, it's a privilege. That's the problem with being someones b$%5. Don't worry.... we get treated the same way. You aren't alone!!

Now, on the At-risk flying Skywest does (not sure if anyone else does any?), I 1,000,000% agree that Skywest employees should go before UAL does, even though it's marketed as a United flight with a United paint job.
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United's system of boarding priority was fair and there was no question about who should go first on the airplane. This was because the employee groups administered the program. No single group could get the company to change policy.

I've commuted my whole career and have to say commuters should have no special priority for commuting. It was presented before and all groups were against it.


What we have is a modified CAL system administered by low level CAL management as a reward system. The VAC system of passes is a joke. I really don't see who benefits. DOH hire is and would have been the cheapest and fairest method to use. I understand the reservation system is the old EASTERN system and could not be easily changed to honor date of hire, but EASTERN had a VAC pass system that could be used and already in the programming. We may be using it to appear as being progressive instead of, well .... (You pass people should chime in here)


RJ guys - sorry, UAL/CAL pays fee for departure. The bought those seats and the only seat you are entitled to is the JS and any open seat after UAL/CAL employees. Not trying to confrontational!
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Originally Posted by xjtguy View Post
True, as part as during the BK goes, especially round two. But before that, come on man. I've read PLENTY of your posts where possibly more consideration should have been given when it came down to the vote. Either in the midterm ESOP/HJS/Heavy jets for RJ's, or on the big fat paycheck of 2000 for the relaxation.
By the way, I should have said "thank you" for actually taking the time to read and digest previous posts on the history of this #1 important issue.

An additional thought. The RJ gives in 1995 and 2000 were, in hindsight, mistakes. One was brought about by a big fat lie by the company and our MC, and the other was considered a trade off for larger raises. Obviously knowing what we know now, we would never have let the camel's nose under the tent. However, if we still had 2000 scope, it would look like we had done a GREAT job of holding the line. Strong limits on the 70 seaters, and block hour limits which would see UAX being about half the size it is now. Ch 11 is what killed scope. Killed it at DAL, USAirways, NWA, and UAL. The majors that have decent scope now? CAL, AMR, and SWA. None of which went through the Ch 11 dance during RJ grab time. AMR will now be where the battle is fought, because Ch 11 is where the BIG scope grab is. Management sees it as the big 90 seat opportunity, where the pilots have almost NO leverage. Hopefully going into Ch 11 with over 4 Billion in the bank will allow the pilots, and the judge, a little more flexibility to argue with management. In UAL's case, the vote on the BOD was VERY close to liquidate the company. It was a CRAPPY situation, and a HUGE $$, Scope, work rule, and pension grab. YOU have to live with the consequences of the Scope disaster, which created your job to begin with. Without it, you would probably be flying cancelled checks or flight instructing for 4000 hours (unless you are super senior, which you may be... in which case disregard). WE have to live with not only the consequences of the crappy Scope, which has caused 1000's of layoffs, bumps, and stagnation, but also the consequences of lost pension, horrible work rules, and a 50% pay cut. BELIEVE me, we understand the importance of Scope. You can't compare the decisions of 2000 when we were living high off the hog to the decisions of a post Ch 11 UAL. You think the industry has been tough on YOU??? Try talking to one of our guys that has been furloughed twice and is probably raising your gear right now. Trust me, we want the regionals BURIED.

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