Don't invest yourself in rumors...do you really think the CAL pilots will allow an extension of the current contract? Give us all a break. I can see this thing splitting like a fire wood, IF the MECs remain in the corners. That is much bigger than JH or JP...so talk to your reps to get it done yesterday. That's the center of gravity, NOT JP or JH.

After the bomb yesterday, I'm not sure the CAL pilots are in the drivers seat over there. I'm beginning to think the head is controlling the body and for his own greed he'll let you guys suffer to his end. Sorry, I can't see it any other way.

Too bad, because you should have. I wouldn't have blamed CAL pilots a bit for calling out Wendy for her failings.

Your perspective is way off in my opinion. Like it or not, we are in this together, and poor and counterproductive moves have a direct impact on both pilot groups. Our MC's are responsible for a JOINT contract.

It would appear that he doesn’t work for you either.

All this chest beating, that my MEC Chairman is better than yours, just plays into the company’s hands. They have ALPA chasing it’s tail. There are two undisputable facts in this fiasco;

1) For his own reasons, JP is satisfied with the pace of progress, JH is not.

2) The UAL-MEC wants to put pressure on the Company, JP does not.

Speculation as to why this is so may be entertaining, but the pilots from both groups could care less about the MEC politics, personal slights etc., they want a better contract. If given a vote they will support the leadership most likely to produce one. All UCH pilots are on the same team, both pre-merger groups will live with the results of these negotiations. This intramural rivalry only serves management’s purpose to delay paying higher wages.

The L-Ual group can go it alone and the L-Cal will benefit from the effort, but it will take longer and the results will be less satisfactory. JP, has shown his colors, he will now have to deal with his constituents. In any case, it makes no difference what the L-Cal group decides regarding their leadership. The L-UAL leadership can and should proceed to move the negotiating process; this is in all the pilot’s best interests. The tyranny of the minority must not impede the effort. If JP is the newest incarnation of a former UAL-MEC Chairman, J. Ferg, he and his sycophants no doubt will be outed.

Baron

there needs to be no more bomb dropping by either mec!

There needs to be no more pre-emptive missile strikes by either mec chair.

There needs to be a quiet period from the mec's.

Both mec chairs need to smoke the peace pipe at the ifalpa conference.

The nmb is not impressed with recent events. It makes us all look like children having temper tantrums.

lee and Pierce used to be tight.

big falling out at last ALPA National conference when lee decided he didn't want Jay P. as his First Vice President. No love-loss there.

The personal stuff doesn't matter. it's business. Lets just do the work of the pilots and get down to business. Check the ego's at the door.

I will be your mec chair by dec 2013 and i will have a joint contract done by dec 2014....

Thats the best i can do.....


It will happen

wrong i was there when jp ran for the position.......cal and ual pilots screw prater AND LOST THE GAME...THEY GOT GREEDY, BOTH SIDES

Where did you see that regarding the NMB? The only place I've heard the NMB is unhappy with a potential request to release is from JP's update. In the same update he said there was good progress with negotiations, so I feel he is out of touch with what progress is.

Not trying to be snarky at all. Just curious as to the source of the NMB leak.

Then your best isn't good enough