Airline Pilot Central Forums

Airline Pilot Central Forums (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/)
-   United (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/united/)
-   -   For the CAL Pilots: A Decoder Ring (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/united/67015-cal-pilots-decoder-ring.html)

cadetdrivr 04-28-2012 06:06 AM

For the CAL Pilots: A Decoder Ring
 
With all of the he-said/she-said going on between the two subsidiary MCs and MECs I thought I'd make L-UAL's explanation as simple as possible.

But first, some history.

Back in early 1980s, the UAL MEC determined that they had an untrustworthy individual in their leadership ranks. This individual was overly cozy with management and when not sharing confidential information with the company, was making deals and promises. Meanwhile the same individual was saying all the right things publicly. During the tenure of this individual a highly concessionary contract was signed.

Eventually the MEC tired of the disconnect between words and actions and this individual was replaced. When the strike occurred in '85 not only did this person cross the picket line but he also arranged for his son to cross the line as a new-hire.

This person was, of all things, the Master Chairman before he was removed. Yes, a former UAL MC crossed the picket line.

For those interested one can read the full historical account of the events in the article "From Wooden Wings" by Patrick Palazzolo published in 1989.

Fast forward to today.

After two years of struggle with the company concerning the JCBA the UAL MEC has tired of a situation where certain a individual (or individuals) is saying one thing publicly, or during strategy sessions, and then doing something else entirely behind closed doors. Every single UAL MEC member is keenly knowledgeable concerning the history prior to the strike, and the "red flags" associated with certain behavior.

If you want to know why the UAL MEC did not signal their strategy to the CAL MEC it's because they also did not want to share the strategy with UCH management in advance. They also want to shine some bright sunlight in some dark corners and coerce certain actors to fish or cut bait.

The problem is not with the entire CAL MEC or the with CAL pilots as the true adversary remains UCH management, but every single pilot on both sides is suffering the consequences of the few.

uaav8r 04-28-2012 06:15 AM

Here's the link to OUR history:
"From Wooden Wings"
Print it. Read it. Pass it on.
http://crewroom.alpa.org/ual/Desktop...cumentID=10671
Don't let history repeat itself!

Ottolillienthal 04-28-2012 06:33 AM

I would like to see the entire UAL MEC and the CAL MEC put their votes on the table via a full role call vote on what we do from here.

Then, I want both Master Chairmen to shut up and color and do what they are told.

Then, I want to see the J-NC do what they are told and Get it done.

If they can't get it done, then I want the J-NC to tell the J-MEC and have them implement plan B...........yes, they will need to agree on plan A, Plan B, and likely Plan C.

Both Master Chairman can bang the gavel, beat their chests, but after the J-MEC meeting, they need to go back into their offices and shut the door and refrain from sending out emails or answer the phones. Might I suggest knitting, model ship building, wood work, sculpure, or painting by the numbers..........

Hello MEC reps.............Lead, follow, or get out of the way!

WarWagon 04-28-2012 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by Ottolillienthal (Post 1177487)
I would like to see the entire UAL MEC and the CAL MEC put their votes on the table via a full role call vote on what we do from here.

Then, I want both Master Chairmen to shut up and color and do what they are told.

Then, I want to see the J-NC do what they are told and Get it done.

If they can't get it done, then I want the J-NC to tell the J-MEC and have them implement plan B...........yes, they will need to agree on plan A, Plan B, and likely Plan C.

Both Master Chairman can bang the gavel, beat their chests, but after the J-MEC meeting, they need to go back into their offices and shut the door and refrain from sending out emails or answer the phones. Might I suggest knitting, model ship building, wood work, sculpure, or painting by the numbers..........

Hello MEC reps.............Lead, follow, or get out of the way!


This would be a good start - I'll send email or call my LEC people and hope we all do the same thing. Sombody needs to get a handle on this.

Captain Bligh 04-28-2012 06:39 AM

Fantastic! *Machivellian LEC reps seem to have forgotten the promises of their election platforms and we haven't even said the word strike. *I still think JP must have some Houdiniesque or Rasputin like power that allows him to contain some of the "radicals" CAL pilots have sent as LEC reps.

uaav8r 04-28-2012 06:40 AM

Yes indeed, "Lead, follow or get out of the way". We should've had a TA months ago.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 12:52 AM.


Website Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands