Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 1178910)

Delta opened up early, and they are meeting most days a week. Reports are they are perhaps weeks from a deal. I'm not satisfied

Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 1178975)

This was just posted on the Delta Side of the Forum.
Interesting reading.

Guess saying "See, we're all screwed up- it's Jay P's fault (and not the company).. Delta's is already close to a deal!" might not be the prudent thing to point at.

Long time lurker/occasional poster, but I can't not share this one. Let me say right up front that this is 3rd hand so please don't shoot the messenger!

OK, here goes:

Jumpseater with us today claims to have ties to a CPO and was told by his buddy in the CPO that we should see a TA on 18 May. Supposedly the MEC will see it on the 15th, and to us on the 18th. Details include 20% increase to the rates with "COLA" type increases per year later. 717s are in the deal and supposedly via a lease from Boeing after turn in from SWA. SWA pays some penalties etc but we get "new" leases from Boeing. Company will offer 500 early outs, and hiring will begin quickly. 50 seaters reduced to around 125 total. Now for the bad news: Supposedly company wants 90 seaters with some type of production balance. Also they want increased Code share with Alaska. The reason he claims the company wants a deal done quickly has to do with the loan for the refinery.

Again, please don't shoot the messenger. There is no way I can confirm any of this...it is just the rumor I heard today with a lot of details and a firm date (supposedly). I guess we will know soon.

Ready for incoming...Philly

So.. would that deal be acceptable here? Cause to me, it's a NO Vote.

Mind you, a 20% increase off of $114 for a Delta 757/767 driver would be $136 an hour, for me (756, 5hyr pay as of 1 Jan 2012 I'm getting $95! The most junior guy on the UAL list on the 757/767 is getting $109!)

So, do we pull the trigger on whatever we had planned last year (with regards to our pay banding) or do we readjust? I would have hoped that our MEC's with the JNC's would have been talking with ALPA National and knew what the Delta guys were shooting for.
Then again, with what is currently going on between our two side and no word yet from National.. not sure what to believe anymore.

just keeps getting better~

Motch

Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 1178975)

Mind you, a 20% increase off of $114 for a Delta 757/767 driver would be $136 an hour, for me (756, 5hyr pay as of 1 Jan 2012 I'm getting $95! The most junior guy on the UAL list on the 757/767 is getting $109!)

Originally Posted by Monkeyfly (Post 1178988)

Some more inside info...

Pierce has known about this strategy since January. EWR reps say they learned about it from the news... explain that!

ALPA national has known about it and is fully on board and Moak is filing for release today, and had taken Pierce to the woodshed for not getting on board with it.

We have criticized our previous chairman for her milquetoast approach, and we demanded as the membership a more aggresive approach, thank goodness we are getting it.


Previous message:
April 28, 2012

Dear FTellow Pilots,

A question for the Pilots of United Airlines: Are you content with the pace of negotiations in 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012; and would you be content if negotiations extend into 2013?

On the Tip of the Spear.

We are United,


Captain Jay Heppner
Chairman, United Master Executive Council

Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 1178873)

Ok, can you at least tell us which council, which position.. when you heard this?
That way, when I question my guys (and gal) I can point to a specific person.

It's my understanding you have 6 different councils, with FO & Capt Reps plus Sec Treas...
When I directly questioned your Council 11 Sec Treas in IAD last Wed (Apr 25th) about a meeting with Jay P.. he backed off of his statement.

He stated that Jay P has been invited to meetings with your MEC Chair, and he refused. When I asked him directly-
"Are you saying that your MEC Chair, Jay Heppner.. invited Jay Peirce to a meeting to discuss the fact that the UAL MEC was going to be putting out an announcement requesting release.. just after agreeing to a June 15th timeline with the company?!"
His answer was.. "um, no".

Think it's kinda important that we try to stick with facts as much as possible, because all these rumors will do nothing more that break us further apart.
That's also why Emails are King! Hard to deny something you put on paper, with your name to it.

Motch

PS>If your MEC is anything like ours (and from what I've read and heard.. it is), what one council says and does may be very different than what another council says and does... on some issues.

Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 1178991)

I can't answer that because two years into negotiations, we haven't even STARTED talking about pay yet. Delta opens early and they are already further along in negotiations than we are... Apparently. The only thing that seems clear is that they are meeting MUCH more frequently than we are.

It would be a NO vote for me too, based on the scope