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SoCalGuy 05-21-2012 08:31 AM

"Co-Worker" Jeff's latest (05-21-12)
 
Source:
http://www.unitednegotiations.com/em...-to-pilots.pdf

Jeff Smisek
President and Chief Executive Officer

May 21, 2012

Dear Pilots:
I want to thank you for your professionalism, as you provide our customers with safe and reliable air transportation every day.

As I’ve said ever since we merged, my goal is to bring work groups together in a manner that is fair to them and fair to the company. Fairness, in a highly competitive business like commercial aviation, means paying competitively, and receiving in return competitive services so that our customers will want to fly us and our investors will want to invest in us. We need to charge competitive prices for our products, and pay competitive prices for the goods, services and people that we need to run our airline.

I’ve spoken to a large number of you in the cockpit as I have traveled around the system, and I share your desire for a quick resolution to contract negotiations for a joint collective bargaining agreement. Since March 2012, when NMB mediators and the parties established the “small group” negotiating process, we’ve made substantial progress in reducing the number of open issues. We are fast approaching the point that the parties will begin to negotiate the key remaining issues.

I’m sure by now you know that Delta and its pilots’ union recently announced a tentative agreement which, among other things, provides significant pay increases, along with efficiencies for the carrier and scope changes permitting expanded use of larger regional jets. The new Delta TA raises the market pay for commercial airline pilots, and effectively sets a new competitive standard for pilot pay. We will be responsive to the impact of the new Delta TA in our negotiations and will need to adjust our current contract proposal to be competitive with the Delta TA. Our proposal will include significant pay rate increases that are competitive with the new Delta TA, as well as scope and work rules that are competitive with the new Delta TA and permit us to remain competitive in the airline business.

Now is the time for all parties to put aside political differences and posturing, and focus on the remaining open contract items. What I ask of you is that we work together to complete our negotiations promptly.

We’ve been negotiating long enough. Let’s get this done.

Respectfully,

Jeff Smisek

caflyer 05-21-2012 08:40 AM

It seems Smisek knows something about the new Delta TA - sure hope he is wrong about weakening the scope clause...



I’m sure by now you know that Delta and its pilots’ union recently announced a tentative agreement which, among other things, provides significant pay increases, along with efficiencies for the carrier and scope changes permitting expanded use of larger regional jets. The new Delta TA raises the market pay for commercial airline pilots, and effectively sets a new competitive standard for pilot pay. We will be responsive to the impact of the new Delta TA in our negotiations and will need to adjust our current contract proposal to be competitive with the Delta TA. Our proposal will include significant pay rate increases that are competitive with the new Delta TA, as well as scope and work rules that are competitive with the new Delta TA and permit us to remain competitive in the airline business.




Respectfully,

Jeff Smisek[/QUOTE]

cadetdrivr 05-21-2012 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by co-worker Jeff (Post 1192741)
We’ve been negotiating long enough. Let’s get this done.

Gee, ya think?

pksocal 05-21-2012 10:58 AM

Blah, Blah, Blah.. More talk.

uaav8r 05-21-2012 11:33 AM

Fupm fupm fupm!!!

bigfatdaddy 05-21-2012 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by SoCalGuy (Post 1192741)
Source:
http://www.unitednegotiations.com/em...-to-pilots.pdf

Jeff Smisek
President and Chief Executive Officer

May 21, 2012

Dear Pilots:
I want to thank you for your professionalism, as you provide our customers with safe and reliable air transportation every day.

As I’ve said ever since we merged, my goal is to bring work groups together in a manner that is fair to them and fair to the company. Fairness, in a highly competitive business like commercial aviation, means paying competitively, and receiving in return competitive services so that our customers will want to fly us and our investors will want to invest in us. We need to charge competitive prices for our products, and pay competitive prices for the goods, services and people that we need to run our airline.

I’ve spoken to a large number of you in the cockpit as I have traveled around the system, and I share your desire for a quick resolution to contract negotiations for a joint collective bargaining agreement. Since March 2012, when NMB mediators and the parties established the “small group” negotiating process, we’ve made substantial progress in reducing the number of open issues. We are fast approaching the point that the parties will begin to negotiate the key remaining issues.

I’m sure by now you know that Delta and its pilots’ union recently announced a tentative agreement which, among other things, provides significant pay increases, along with efficiencies for the carrier and scope changes permitting expanded use of larger regional jets. The new Delta TA raises the market pay for commercial airline pilots, and effectively sets a new competitive standard for pilot pay. We will be responsive to the impact of the new Delta TA in our negotiations and will need to adjust our current contract proposal to be competitive with the Delta TA. Our proposal will include significant pay rate increases that are competitive with the new Delta TA, as well as scope and work rules that are competitive with the new Delta TA and permit us to remain competitive in the airline business.

Now is the time for all parties to put aside political differences and posturing, and focus on the remaining open contract items. What I ask of you is that we work together to complete our negotiations promptly.

We’ve been negotiating long enough. Let’s get this done.

Respectfully,

Jeff Smisek

That's Jeff'd up!

APC225 05-21-2012 12:00 PM

Remember, to a lawyer "competive" means "less than" and "fair" means "I own you."

ewrbasedpilot 05-21-2012 01:29 PM

We’ve been negotiating long enough. Let’s get this done.



Wonder if he's spoken to Abbott? Abbott just told us their is NO hurry. Yep, these guys must work together pretty well..........................

caflyer 05-21-2012 02:09 PM


We’ve been negotiating long enough. Let’s get this done.

The fact that Smisek published the details of the Delta TA before it was released by the DAL MEC to their pilots, and that he now wants us to have the same agreement tell me all I need to know.....

ewrbasedpilot 05-21-2012 02:12 PM

I'm in no hurry now......................... after all, it can only get more expensive ...............

LifeNtheFstLne 05-21-2012 04:03 PM

I DEMAND a letter in response to Jeff - from the Pilots (MEC) by the end of the business day tomorrow. My costs just went up. Again.

APC225 05-21-2012 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by caflyer (Post 1193260)
The fact that Smisek published the details of the Delta TA before it was released by the DAL MEC to their pilots, and that he now wants us to have the same agreement tell me all I need to know.....

He's desperate to get the relaxation of scope.

reCALcitrant 05-21-2012 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1193357)
He's desperate to get the relaxation of scope.

Ain't happenin. No fing way.

intrepidcv11 05-21-2012 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by reCALcitrant (Post 1193421)
Ain't happenin. No fing way.

I hope so. I can't freaking believe the DAL union boys think opening the can more is an acceptable idea. This profession is freaking tanked...

horrido27 05-21-2012 06:01 PM

^ Amen..
What was it, a week ago that everyone was Rah Rah that DALPA had a TA with their management?! How great they were and how screwed up our own Union was.. not to mention our management?

Seems like the Delta gang is willing to sell out the lower half of the seniority list, and also screw the RJ guys even more. Just to get a few pieces of silver.

If this deal passes, you will see more 70/76 seaters flown by the lowest cost feeder out there (probably at 50 seat rates!) and then you'll see mainline park the 75's and replace them with big 73's. At a lower payrate though~
And of course, it will make it harder for us to hold the line.

Sick what has happened to this profession
Motch

Ottolillienthal 05-21-2012 06:20 PM

We need to pay attention to TWO things..........very important.

1. Scope

2. Age 67


You read that right. This career has gone no-where because of the relaxation of scope language and the out-sourcing of our labor. When we out-source flying jobs that means your seniority number only goes up when someone dies or retires. If you are a 20 year Co-pilot, that means you will be a 23 year co-pilot soon if we give away more jobs to the regionals. Jeff was quoated as saying "If ALPA wanted to fly the 70 seaters for free our answer would be no." This merger was all about scope relaxation. Jeff would be happy to have 50 year old RJ Captains making 75K a year all day long and 14K a year new hire's from Embry Riddle that pay for training as his FO's.

Age 67. yep........The push is already on. The grey-beards aren't happy with age 65, going for 67 as a jumping off point to push for age 70. Looks like another 5 years until we see some movement on the seniority list folks. I think ALPA will cave again on this one. The over 65 instructors will likely get grand-fathered in somehow. Probably got about 20 of those right now.


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