Xjetter

United outsourcing statistics - these are daily departure numbers from hubs.
From airliners.net

IAH

SF3: 3
DH4: 7
ER4: 307
CRJ: 10
CR7: 45
E70: 2

319: 8
320: 16
735: 25
73G: 31
738: 99
739: 48
752: 23
753: 9
762: 3
763: 2
764: 7
777: 4

Total: 649 (58% outsourced)


ORD

ER4: 211
CRJ: 68
CR7: 100
E70: 45

319: 53
320: 67
735: 4
73G: 4
738: 13
739: 17
752: 40
763: 10
777: 8
744: 2

Total: 642 (66% outsourced)


EWR

DH2: 26
DH3: 13
DH4: 32
ER4: 130
E70: 31

319: 8
320: 12
735: 14
73G: 12
738: 72
739: 23
752: 44
753: 3
762: 1
763: 5
764: 7
777: 11

Total: 444 (52% outsourced)


DEN

EM2: 7
ER4: 85
CRJ: 112
CR7: 70
E70: 19

319: 26
320: 45
735: 1
73G: 3
738: 17
739: 13
752: 35
753: 3
763: 3
777: 1

Total: 440 (67% outsourced)


SFO

EM2: 68
CRJ: 49
CR7: 37

319: 36
320: 34
73G: 4
738: 19
739: 8
752: 47
753: 3
763: 9
764: 1
777: 8
744: 7

Total: 330 (47% outsourced)


IAD

SF3: 27
DH4: 21
ER4: 69
CRJ: 33
CR7: 38
E70: 8

319: 16
320: 27
735: 1
73G: 1
738: 5
739: 2
752: 20
753: 2
763: 7
764: 1
777: 14

Total: 292 (67% outsourced)


LAX

EM2: 55
ER4: 1
CRJ: 27
CR7: 27

319: 7
320: 29
73G: 3
738: 13
739: 5
752: 35
753: 16
777: 4
744: 1

Total: 223 (49% outsourced)


CLE

BEH: 11
DH2: 33
DH3: 7
DH4: 1
ER4: 102
CRJ: 3
CR7: 8

319: 2
320: 6
735: 3
73G: 3
738: 11
739: 11

Total: 201 (82% outsourced)


Not sure if I'll ever get there if this continues. Most regional pilots want nothing but to move on to a mainline carrier. Hold strong on scope!!

eaglefly

Unfortunately for the majority of current regional pilots, you'll never see a major carrier pilot seat. Larger RJ's will claim more domestic flying from all the legacies and perhaps 8 in 10 will retire as a large RJ captain.

horrido27

Not sure how accurate your numbers are.. as it only shows 10 747-400 departures a day~ But the point is valid.

As EagleFly mentioned, unless we ALL hold the line, the chances of getting on with a Major/Legacy is going to be greatly reduced.

These CRJ7/9's, and EMB170/175's are direct mainline aircraft replacements. No pilot at ANY Regional should want to fly them unless it's at a Mainline Carrier. No Regional/Commuter Union should have a payscale for them that is anything less than the lowest scale at a Mainline.
Therein lies the problem.

If this Delta TA passes, they will have up to 325 large RJ's flown by the lowest bidder.. And then the next time something major happens, or when the next contract comes around- they will grow that number and increase the seat size. Next you'll see 80 seaters, then 84, 86 or 90.

Just one pilots opinion.. but something any new, young potential aviator should realize.

Motch

KingAirKiddo

Agree with the OP. I first starting working toward my certificates in 1996. The first time I saw a CRJ I thought something like "aww, what a cute little jet". By the time I entered the industry professionally in 2000 the frenzy to replace mainline service with these "cute little jets" was well underway. With September 11, well...we all know the rest of that story. The point is that I entered the industry expecting to fly at a commuter for a few years in a Dash 8 or Brasilia and then move up the pipeline, not spend almost a full decade in the right seat of a Barbie jet where I'd be faced with the prospect of being undercut out of a job every few years. I feel fortunate to have gotten hired on with an ACMI flying freight in a 777 so I'm at least out of "regional hell" but I still hope that this Genie of outsourcing will be put back in the bottle at each opportunity. Like most of you, I can simply say that this is no thing close to the industry that I thought I was signing with. This is definitely one way in which I'd definitely like to go back to "the way it was".

Rant complete.

Senior Skipper

So when you buy a ticket, you have less than a 50% chance of flying on United.

jsled

Yeap. Delta just caved on the larger RJ's.....oh, wait....they held the line at 76 seats, that's right. I am sure alot of lifer RJ dudes are bummin.

Sled

dvhighdrive88

I'll respectfully disagree with the optimistic masses that occupy APC. Your future young Xjetter is determined largely by one factor and that is the price of fuel. If fuel goes up (who here wants to bet it will go down?) then the planes will either have to get bigger or more efficient or preferably both in order to generate cash flow to pay the bills.

The regionals future was signed, sealed and delivered in the 08 fuel spike. This the exodus from 50 seaters. 76 seaters for now can pay the bills but when fuel goes up again it will be 90 seaters and so on so forth. Thus the massive orders for next gen 737s and Busses. Eventually in a major pilot scope held world the regionals will need a new technology ultra efficient 30-76 seat range of perhaps GTF powered props or jets and charge exorbitant amounts to deliver Joe Lunchbucket from Idaho Falls. Joe is going to have to drive quite far even for that because most regional airports will be golf courses by then. EAS survived, but not for long.

The question becomes who will fly these ever increasing sized airplanes. Does labor going forth in this country have the power to hold it's own against their opponents? Now we come to the million dollar question. That is a whole other subject.

Xjetter

Ive been at xjt for 8 years. The only thing that stands against scope is mainline pilots. Outsourcing over 50% of mainline flying makes me sick. Anything over 50 seats should be mainline.

APC225

The truth and nothing but the truth.

dvhighdrive88

Well convenienty Xjetter by June 30th you shall have your answer regarding the appetite mainline pilots have for holding the line on scope. The Delta TA has far reaching implications beyond the futures of our double breasted compatriots.

If it passes and United gets a similar contract (hopefully better!) then the future of the regionals changes radically...but that's how this business goes. In a few moments and the stroke of a few pens your career can skyrocket or crumble before your very helpless hands. When it crumbles, it's a lonely crappy feeling I can assure you.