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Originally Posted by Ottolillienthal
(Post 1237569)
United to terminate Aer Lingus-operated IAD-Madrid flight Oct. 31
We notified Aer Lingus last week of our intent to exercise our right to terminate the enhanced code share on Aug. 1 for service between IAD and MAD (Madrid, Spain). The termination takes effect 90 days after the notification, so the flights will continue through the end of October. We will maintain our other codeshare flights with Aer Lingus, and we will continue to serve MAD via EWR. Questions............ 1. In the UAL CBA, does UAL management retain the right to re-start the "enhanced code sharing?" 2. How many pilot jobs have been "outsourced" via the "enhanced code sharing?" 3. Does ALPA have any on paper assurances that UAL won't re-start this scheme? 4. How much do the scab pilots at Aer Lingus make? How much money did UAL save with this? 5. By flying large RJ's into CAL hubs, is our scope language being violated? Observations.......... 1. Pilot jobs have been permanently lost as UAL never re-staffed the flight with its own employees. Merely, it is just using flying that we are already doing. 2. Even air tight scope language can be violated. CAL Management has done it numerous times, and they will do it again. 1) Yes under the old contract 2) It was 2 airplanes worth. Not sure how many total pilots. 3) Until we get a JCBA with that provision eliminated, they don't 4) There was a huge scrap at the time, as UAL was going to hire OFF THE STREET here in the USA. The Aer Lingus pilots union was able to head that off by agreeing to have current Aer Lingus pilots staff the route... at B Scale wages. Nice huh? The Flight Attendants were off the street. 5) Yes! |
Originally Posted by Ottolillienthal
(Post 1237602)
Can't make this up.
This is in there too. Our Diversity Sales team (part of the Specialty Sales organization) recently collaborated with the Latin America Sales Team in Mexico City (the part you left out) to host a workshop on serving the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community. More than 50 business owners in the hospitality industry learned about United’s various travel programs and best practices for supporting the LGBT marketplace. Glad to see we can host a workshop for LBBT issues. Boy, that's money well spent. Just like there is always stuff in there about Women in Aviation and the Organization of Black Airline Pilots. I mean really. Diversity...in the 21st century...at a US-based Fortune 500 company!? Really? Who would have thunk it? Just can't make this stuff up. :rolleyes: |
Otto
First off I object to the use of your term scab. A scab is a person who crosses a picket line and does the work of another who is on strike. At no stage since this operation began have either UA or CO been on strike. Your scope allowed this to happen. Both EI and UA wanted to hire "off the street" to crew this operation and whilst ALPA werent able to stop the operation, at least IALPA prevented this from happening by seeking volunteers from amongst the 100% unionised EI pilot body. I know that you might not see any difference in that (nor the furloughed UA pilots), but it was seen at the time by both unions as the lesser of two evils. Neither union wanted this operation. In answer to your questions 2. 8 crews-16 pilots. The big saving over UA pilots doing this was that it only took 2 EI pilots as they were working under JAA rules which allow them to work longer with only 2 in the cockpit. 4. The pay for EI Capts was almost the same as that for UA 777 Capts. F/Os got similar to UA 767. This operation was meant to grow to 3 aircraft over 3 years before being spun off into a new airline to be used by both airlines against their crews. It never got past 1 thankfully. I wish you the best in your current endeavours to get a decent contract. Patrick |
This has been going on while we have had pilots on the street.
If management wanted to fly UA airplanes with crews that were not UA then I have a problem with this. I have a problem with ALPA National approving it, the UAL MEC approving it, and the the UA pilots approving it. Basically It's like this: 1. Out source RJ flying and get rid of 737's at UA. Lots of jobs lost. Jobs outsourced to lower paying regionals. WHile they may not be scab pilots flying struck work, they are flying our outsourced revenue and perhaps our industry hasn't caught up enough to give it a "label", but I only have one word for a replacement worker. 2. It's closer to 20 crews to staff the IAD-MAD operation. That is premium wide body flying being outsourced to another airline while your pilots are on the street. Surely ALPA wanted to save the wide body jobs too.... OK, Scab may be too strong, but there needs to be a word for it when your union gives away your jobs and your management team looks to continue, enhance, and bolster this practice. It ain't about the 76 seat class RJ, it's about the 96 seat RJ, and now it's about trans-atlantic flying. Our entire career and profession is under attack. It is being attacked by ALPA, by management's, by our own government, by foreign carriers. Hunker down....Maybe some Scab didn't take those jobs, but it wasn't the boogie man. |
Originally Posted by Ottolillienthal
(Post 1237678)
NO.
They had already furloughed those guys. Their letters were already mailed out. In the 11th hour they tried to bushwack the MEC by using their inside man (Dave Zullo), the Scheduling Chairman to negotiate a "furlough mitigation LOA", which was actually entitled "Joint Venture Flying." The JV LOA did not pass the MEC on two seperate occasions. This is largely in part because of the poorly explained language, lack of definitions, triggers, and the fact that we would have forever given up the goose that lays our golden eggs. The LOA was also missing a zero. CAL wanted us to give up JV flying in exchange for a 2 percent pay raise. Crazy...........give up scope for a mere 2 percent pay raise......NUTS!!!! The LOA was changed to the "Zullo side letter." Crazier still, management insisted that the pilots NOT vote on it, and the MEC approve it, ratify it, and make it law. How's that for nuts? Zullo quit and then went to management in a hissy fit. You sould watch Copa Airlines closely,,,,thats your 2012 job loss thread,,,,,,,,,,their union sucks with their latest accomplishments and IFALPA SHOULD remove them from their list.... Embarrasing to airline pilot profession |
Originally Posted by paokgate4
(Post 1238772)
You sould watch Copa Airlines closely,,,,thats your 2012 job loss thread,,,,,,,,,,their union sucks with their latest accomplishments and IFALPA SHOULD remove them from their list....
Embarrasing to airline pilot profession |
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