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Our ex EAL'ers are all saying that this is starting to feel and look a lot like CAL/EAL. Cal is growing, UAL is being shrunk, that is undeniable.

We were supposed to be recalling and even hiring by this fall. We were supposed to have a major bid coming out this fall. It ain't happening in fact we have such a surplus of pilots they are handing out unpaid leaves.

We are not taking on ANY growth airplanes in fact any and all airplane orders are replacements only for smaller lower paying airframes.

In the meanwhile CAL is taking on new airplanes, hiring like gang busters and growing primarily at L-UAL domiciles and to the detriment of UAL pilots in general. Ours is a net loss, CAL's is a net gain, plain and simple.

This is no accident, it's not mismanagement, it's planned, it's well orchestrated and it's a prime example of leveraging one group by benefiting it, while abusing and depleting the other side.

Nothing has changed for the positive on this side since this "merger" began in fact my living and working conditions have only gotten worse by a large degree. I don't know of any pilots on the L-UAL side who could say their experience has been positive or that they've benefited from any of this mess. No upgrades, no movement, still being paid bankruptcy wages, and now we are being threatened with a pilot surplus while the CAL side is hiring and moving like crazy.

You can rationalize it any way you want but these are the facts on this side of the tracks.

So suprising

We've all seen this play before.

IMHO, UCH is lobbying a yes (50% plus one) vote for the AIP/TA/JCBA by using fear, uncertainty, and doubt. It's not a coincidence that we find ourselves backed up against the nasty TPA expiration sections on the anticipated timeline for membership ratification.

And if the AIP/TA/JCBA is voted down that also works for UCH since the flying ratio and other key sections of the TPA will no longer be a factor.

It's all straight out of the playbook.

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Trust me, nobody is happy on the CAL side either. Our wide body flying has been evaporated,our staffing levels are a joke, and our pay is still from concessions. Even with this bid we are smaller then we were before the age 65 change. The only reason we have movement is because of aircraft deliveries that were coming WAY before the merger and finally retirements.

Safety first. At all times and in all things. Wasn't it something like that? Don't allow Jeff Lorenzo to distract you from job one.

Not really an accurate statement. Over 200 new captain positions and guys flooding to new bases to elimiate commutes. There are many very happy guys right now.

I'd say this was very accurate.

Your quip about the commute elimination is correct but that's about the only bright spot and I don't seem to be flying with too many "happy" people.

Quick question, you really don't seem too pleased with CAL or its Pilot group so why did you take the recall over here?

Actually completely accurate. Almost Half those NEW captains are retirements and the rest are still not back to our levels before. You can have your bases and I'll take my 25k a yr pay cut back for loosing 76 flying.

Another spin to this. United is said to be 400 pilots surplus right now. Cal needed 3-400 pilots for rest rules deadline but also for new contract (think combined company may need 800 or so pilots). Contract will be UA work rules plused up a little. If there was a building of one side and a destruction of another, then why bring the 739 order to UAL to replace the 752s? Wouldn't it be better to bring them over to Cal? Maybe it's not be a malicious as we think.

Disclaimer: our mgmt is horrible and are haters of labor, especially pilots.

We have more retirements than CAL starting in DEC. UAL is asking for LEAVES. We have NO bids, not half for retirements, NONE. Do you not find that odd? What is going on, in your opinion?

"Levels before"??? what has that got to do with anything? I want my old Captain seat back, or at least my 777 rt. seat, but I don't see what that has to do with the merger going forward.

Sled

If you can show me where those 739s will be coming to the UAL side of the house, I would appreciate it. OH, I know what they SAID. The 739s will replace l-UAL 757s. Got it. And they may have even SAID that we would be flying them here at l-UAL. But until I am on IOE, I won't believe an f'n word. Why should I?

Sled

What 76 flying has been lost, I think that 2 767-200's were retired (which supposedly is why the CAL pilots got a bonus), the rest is still there, it has just been moved to Newark.

And 757Driver, I took the job so I could vote no on a contract. I would never have gone to CAL otherwise.

Wow, what sacrifice just to vote No but I'll more than likely be joining you.

Right there with you.

Sled,
Couldn't agree more. Talk is cheap, especially from our mgmt and they haven't given reason to trust or believe them. I'll try and see if I can get the info for you and post it. I just don't think the demise of L-UA is there. Maybe spending some time at TK working through projects with L-UA professionals has tainted me.

It's obvious....

UCH Plan A: Scare LUAL pilots into YES vote over fear of TPA expirations.
UCH Plan B: Take advantage of expired TPA sections and further shrink LUAL.

...what cadetdrivr said.

200 "new" captain positions? Or is it the same 200 positions we lost due to age 65? I upgraded in 2007 and now I hold captain again. Thanks UAL, what would I do without you? :rolleyes:

Newark has lost a ton of 767 flying. All the 200s are going away, though there are still a few in the system.

I thought you guys had some kind of grievance or something in regard to the parking of the 767-200's. What happened with that?

Don't worry, EWR is 'soon' to get it back, possibly more than prior.

IAH is "fix'in" (as them Texans say) to loose just about all it's B767 to have it redeployed back up to EWR.

Most already spent it, or are you referring to 2012 bonus plan?

Awesome! I upgraded in 2007, too. I sure would like to get in on some bids as well.

Sled

Not happy??? And just WHAT are you doing about it??

J

^^^ this is spot on ^^^

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And that's all because of CAL ALPA's covert plan to delay the JCBA. :rolleyes:

Buddy when it comes to the two pilot groups you are about as rational as Rev Terry Jones.

I don't think there was a covert plan. I just believe that J.P. was in no hurry to get a JCBA. Why? CAL had all the orders in the short term. UAL's orders are for 2015-2016 timeframe. Since we are not doing the list until after the JCBA, why not delay and soak up all the new aircraft vacancies? As long as it's all settled by 2015, CAL guys can get in on the UAL order bids as well. It appeared to me that he was dragged into the J.H. push for release scheme. I'm just saying.

Sled

GENTLEMEN! Once again this isn't about UAL pilots vs CAL pilots. This an informational post about whats happening on our side of the fence. Because as far as I am aware Fred nJeff are not keeping you adreast of the way they are treating us. Or have they? I doubt those boys are letting you know that they are abusing the he11 out of the UAL side at the moment have they? Now you know for what its worth.

Please excuse the spelling and grammar I am writing this on my phone.