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10-18-2012, 08:27 AM
#131
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Originally Posted by Regularguy
New rumor from CAL MEC:
There is some push back against the improved work rules. Why? Because many pilots don't want to give up the ability to work 100 hours at their option. Funny how cash in the pocket is more important than improved days off.
There is some push back against the improved work rules. Why? Because many pilots don't want to give up the ability to work 100 hours at their option. Funny how cash in the pocket is more important than improved days off.
UAL MEC wants your pay caps gone so the UAL pilots can work 100hrs a month and put more cash in their pockets.
see how this works?
10-18-2012, 09:33 AM
#132
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Originally Posted by Regularguy
New rumor from CAL MEC:
There is some push back against the improved work rules. Why? Because many pilots don't want to give up the ability to work 100 hours at their option. Funny how cash in the pocket is more important than improved days off.
There is some push back against the improved work rules. Why? Because many pilots don't want to give up the ability to work 100 hours at their option. Funny how cash in the pocket is more important than improved days off.
My choice: good work rules, good pay, and have the days off to enjoy it. I don't think you should have to choose just one. I'd love to make more and fly less. If people want to work more, let them (if it doesn't take someone's job).
10-18-2012, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Rocketiii
It's absolutely amazing to insult us with a 13% raise after a decade long concessionary loan! I know it's a 40% raise for United guys, but that is an insult to me. We (Continental) own scope. Giving it up doesn't bother he United guys since they already gave it up. So as a Cal guy, we get a drop in the bucket in return for giving up the scope we own and pay raises that match a competitor. All with no compensation for what we are giving up and gave up. And we are outvoted by a group that is hungry for a 40% raise and has crappy scope already. Thanks again for "buying" us and "saving" us..
10-18-2012, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Ottopilot
If people want to work more, let them (if it doesn't take someone's job).
10-18-2012, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigflya
Newsflash. More hours worked = greater productivity per pilot on the property which = less jobs. Easy math. If you subscribe to the future hiring boom and lack of qualified pilots with the 1500 hour rule then all companies will need more production per pilot. Be careful what you wish for.
10-18-2012, 11:08 AM
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You know I'm at the point where I really don't care about those who want to be tired and worn out all the time by flying 100+ hours with lousy duty rigs. I simply don't do those things.
Now I see a major problem with the philosophy of these 100 hour pilots. From what I hear the senior pilots use this feature and the annual CAL voluntary reduced flying months to maximize their pay, all while the junior reserve pilots are getting abused and flown into the ground.
So is it right for a small group of pilots to be able to fly 100 hours of pay and then take the easy months off, compensating by the high time months, while a larger majority of the pilots have to be abused by the work rules (especially reserves)?
Now I see a major problem with the philosophy of these 100 hour pilots. From what I hear the senior pilots use this feature and the annual CAL voluntary reduced flying months to maximize their pay, all while the junior reserve pilots are getting abused and flown into the ground.
So is it right for a small group of pilots to be able to fly 100 hours of pay and then take the easy months off, compensating by the high time months, while a larger majority of the pilots have to be abused by the work rules (especially reserves)?
10-18-2012, 01:23 PM
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Beemer
In a seniority based system yes the junior will not have the advantages, but how would you like to have sat 15 years in that junior position? The point is why beat up others when it can be avoided? When things are advancing and pilots make captain at 7 years no one really cares about the current abuses. Now picture a career of 20 years of no weekends, holidays, overwork while the senior drink their wine and manage their max and min months.
In a seniority based system yes the junior will not have the advantages, but how would you like to have sat 15 years in that junior position? The point is why beat up others when it can be avoided? When things are advancing and pilots make captain at 7 years no one really cares about the current abuses. Now picture a career of 20 years of no weekends, holidays, overwork while the senior drink their wine and manage their max and min months.
10-18-2012, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Regularguy
Beemer
In a seniority based system yes the junior will not have the advantages, but how would you like to have sat 15 years in that junior position? The point is why beat up others when it can be avoided? When things are advancing and pilots make captain at 7 years no one really cares about the current abuses. Now picture a career of 20 years of no weekends, holidays, overwork while the senior drink their wine and manage their max and min months.
In a seniority based system yes the junior will not have the advantages, but how would you like to have sat 15 years in that junior position? The point is why beat up others when it can be avoided? When things are advancing and pilots make captain at 7 years no one really cares about the current abuses. Now picture a career of 20 years of no weekends, holidays, overwork while the senior drink their wine and manage their max and min months.
So, it sounds like some personal choices are in order...make a personal move or wait your turn like everybody else before you .
10-18-2012, 04:59 PM
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CRAP SANDWICH FOR ALL!!!
BELOW "industry standard pay" (< Delta)+WORTHLESS SCOPE (76 seats)+NO LONGEVITY for furloughs+PAY BAND 767 with 747 (really?)+...= NO!!!!!
Look BEYOND the $$$$ people!
I don't care if they pay me $150/hr for 2nd year FO... if I don't make it to year 2 or three, or there's no airplane to fly 'casue it's been "scoped out", who cares?
BELOW "industry standard pay" (< Delta)+WORTHLESS SCOPE (76 seats)+NO LONGEVITY for furloughs+PAY BAND 767 with 747 (really?)+...= NO!!!!!
Look BEYOND the $$$$ people!
I don't care if they pay me $150/hr for 2nd year FO... if I don't make it to year 2 or three, or there's no airplane to fly 'casue it's been "scoped out", who cares?
10-18-2012, 05:19 PM
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Old Ucal:
"So, it sounds like some personal choices are in order...make a personal move or wait your turn like everybody else before you ."
Well let me embarrass you a bit. I have been at UAL for almost 35 years and have enjoyed my seniority. It only took me 12 years to make Captain because by fate and good fortune I was hired at the start of the new-hire of the late 70s. You do the math on what my choices might be.
You sir are modeling what is called "the entitled" syndrome. Didn't like it coming from the "Tracy-Aces" who were at UAL when I got hired nor do I like it today when it comes from my peers.
Every pilot I fly with (with the exception of many who were hired in 1985) are consummate professionals and deserve, by talent, to fly Captain. However, due to what ever you want to call it, fate, karma or some other thing, they have sat in the right seat without a chance to improve either their status or life style.
So when you blindly accuse others of stuff please consider what your choices are and how you got them.
"So, it sounds like some personal choices are in order...make a personal move or wait your turn like everybody else before you ."
Well let me embarrass you a bit. I have been at UAL for almost 35 years and have enjoyed my seniority. It only took me 12 years to make Captain because by fate and good fortune I was hired at the start of the new-hire of the late 70s. You do the math on what my choices might be.
You sir are modeling what is called "the entitled" syndrome. Didn't like it coming from the "Tracy-Aces" who were at UAL when I got hired nor do I like it today when it comes from my peers.
Every pilot I fly with (with the exception of many who were hired in 1985) are consummate professionals and deserve, by talent, to fly Captain. However, due to what ever you want to call it, fate, karma or some other thing, they have sat in the right seat without a chance to improve either their status or life style.
So when you blindly accuse others of stuff please consider what your choices are and how you got them.
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