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CleCapt 11-02-2012 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer (Post 1286258)
At our peak (2000), we had 44, plus 2 classics. (-200s).

Must have downsized the 767 fleet for the merger.

Pan AM had 226 airplanes at their peak.

Loss of scope = Downsizing. This is as true today as it was when UAL got rid of all their 737's.

Keep that in mind when it's time to vote.

47dog 11-02-2012 02:59 PM

The Flight plan
 
RJs didn't replace the 737s at UAL, check the facts.
CAL 737s however DID replace them.

Maxepr1 11-02-2012 03:05 PM

You go ahead and keep believing that dog....

uaav8r 11-02-2012 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by 47dog (Post 1286668)
RJs didn't replace the 737s at UAL, check the facts.
CAL 737s however DID replace them.

Look at the city pairs that our 737's used to serve. Most are served by 70 seat RJ's now. Case in point...DFW, where I've been commuting from for over 15 years. One UA A320/day and one CO 737/day and FIVE 70 seat RJ's. Used to be eight 737's/320's a day. Our 737's were indeed parked to "rightsize" no doubt. But, RJ's DID replace the 737s at UAL...PERIOD.

intrepidcv11 11-02-2012 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by 47dog (Post 1286668)
RJs didn't replace the 737s at UAL, check the facts.
CAL 737s however DID replace them.

Really looking forward to hearing this one for the next 30 years.

SoCentralRain 11-02-2012 04:29 PM

Okay, folks. Why the hell hasn't anybody questioned the rationale for shutting down the ORD -400 domicile? The official explanation: "reliability issues".

So...because s-UA -400 pilots based at ORD write up APUs and #4 generators and call in fatigued, it's that big of a problem?

Sounds more like acting like a "C"aptain. Methinks it's punitive. Welcome to the way s-UA pilots fly, Phred. I guess some just don't like flying garbage or working tired. The culture at ORD is a little different.

SCR

CleCapt 11-02-2012 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by uaav8r (Post 1286677)
Look at the city pairs that our 737's used to serve. Most are served by 70 seat RJ's now. Case in point...DFW, where I've been commuting from for over 15 years. One UA A320/day and one CO 737/day and FIVE 70 seat RJ's. Used to be eight 737's/320's a day. Our 737's were indeed parked to "rightsize" no doubt. But, RJ's DID replace the 737s at UAL...PERIOD.

There are many more examples of this, not just DFW. So I find your conclusion that 70 seaters didn't lead to the sale of the UAl 737's. They were older than the airbuses, more costly to operate than the RJ's, so they went.

As far as right sizing for the merger, I don't know. It seems that Tilton wanted to merge with anyone, even US Air. So I guess, if there was right sizing, it was for that merger.

CAL employees did not want a merger, we seemed to be doing just fine on our own. Smisek's ego and the CAL's greedy BOD saw the dollar signs and Tilton just wanted his check and get out.

If lowering costs by moving flying to RJ's, putting UAL pilots on the street and selling Older 737's to put a fresh coat of lipstick on UAL is right sizing for a merger, then I guess I would agree with you.

Somehow, I don't think we will ever see this the same way, we're just on different sides of the same fence.

47dog 11-02-2012 05:45 PM

The Flight plan
 
Then why did the CAL CEO say that CAL wouldn't survive without the merger?

SoCentralRain 11-02-2012 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by 47dog (Post 1286737)
Then why did the CAL CEO say that CAL wouldn't survive without the merger?

And why was Tilton quoted on CNBC crowing about "right-sizing" the company to make the merger happen?

Yes, this happened.

SCR

Ottopilot 11-02-2012 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by 47dog (Post 1286737)
Then why did the CAL CEO say that CAL wouldn't survive without the merger?

You must love and respect Jeffy to believe everything he says. Do you think he was trying to sell the idea of a merger? Think.


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